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Post by wheelfan910 on Mar 4, 2021 21:48:38 GMT -5
Now that the first season has officially come to close, I’d love to know what everybody’s thoughts were on wheel’s debut in Primetime. Did you have any favorite moments? Favorite celebrities? Changes you would make if there were to be a second season? Anything like that. I’ll chime in with my thoughts later.
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Post by MarioGS on Mar 4, 2021 21:58:29 GMT -5
It was so exciting to see Wheel get the primetime spotlight it deserves. The puzzle writing is the best thing about this version. It's miles better than the show's endless repeating of AMAZING OCEAN VIEWS and the same $1,000 Toss-Ups every three years.
They really need to fix the stakes, though. The solve bonuses encourage people not to spin and it looks bad that the Wheel is still cheap even in primetime. Game shows that go from daytime or syndication to primetime need to up their stakes by comparison. Price does it well. Wheel only does it with the Toss-Ups and adding more $100K's. Increase the Wheel values, decrease or get rid of the solve bonuses, and just put the million in the Bonus Wheel by default instead of cluttering the Wheel with so many MDW's. Bring back the $10K wedge and maybe make it $25K. They can afford it.
They need to go even softer on the Bonus Rounds since the win rate has been roughly the same as the syndie version post-Season 32. They need to take it down to Wheel 2000 difficulty for people to actually figure something out and not just stare forward and forget RSTLNE plus their own combo. Some of the missed BR's were just embarrassing.
I'm also not a fan of the gameplay structure removing a main round but still doing Triple Toss-Ups before R3. Although it never happened, this makes it possible to have one player never get to spin the Wheel. Everyone should be guaranteed to start a round. Do a four-round minimum and drop one or two Toss-Ups. Or do it like Jeopardy! and have the player with the lowest total after R3 start R4.
This is my personal ranking of all the Season 1 episodes, from best to worst:
(#101) Leslie Jones, Chandra Wilson, and Tony Hawk (#102) Drew Carey, Teri Hatcher, and Chrissy Metz (#107) Jennie Garth, Karamo Brown and Patton Oswalt (#104) Constance Zimmer, Maria Menounos, and Yvette Nicole Brown (#103) Rob Riggle, Joe Tessitore, and Jeannie Mai (#105) Paul Reubens, Nicole Byer, and Joel McHale (#108) Rachael Leigh Cook, Sherri Shepherd, and Kevin Nealon (#106) Robert Herjavec, Chris Harrison, and Alfonso Ribeiro
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Post by jjc927 on Mar 4, 2021 23:31:14 GMT -5
I enjoyed it, most of the celebrities were fun and the puzzle writing was much better than on the syndicated version. The celebrities played off each other well and Pat and Vanna had nice chemistry with them. Overall, it felt like a looser, more fun version of the syndie show. That said, I do wish they upped the dollar amounts on the wheel instead of adding on the solve bonuses. Would it kill them to add amounts between $1,000 and the top dollar value? Maybe add on a $10,000 space (using the 10k Mystery wedge) and/or $25,000 prize with two tags to pick up to earn it like the 1/2 Car, or even the Multiply space that's on the app game. They could've used this as a chance to do some experimental things like that, but instead took the lazy way out with the solve bonuses and not really adding anything else to give away more. I wasn't crazy about the 4 Million Dollar Wedges either, 1 or 2 would've been sufficient. Still doing the Triple Toss-Up before round 3 when round 3 was the final round was unnecessary also, would've rather they just did one and play a 4th round. They need to go even softer on the Bonus Rounds since the win rate has been roughly the same as the syndie version post-Season 32. They need to take it down to Wheel 2000 difficulty for people to actually figure something out and not just stare forward and forget RSTLNE plus their own combo. Some of the missed BR's were just embarrassing. I thought a couple were overly difficult for this version, but most of the misses were just blown. They weren't random adjective and noun combos or obscure phrases like we get on the syndie show. I'm not sure how much more they could've dumbed down the puzzles to guarantee solves without having puzzles like ELM TREE or SNEAKERS where just about every letter is RSTLNE. Or do it like Jeopardy! and have the player with the lowest total after R3 start R4. Hmm, interesting idea. I think that would be good for this version since they're playing for charity, and the idea is to get everyone a good amount for their charity.
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Post by MarioGS on Mar 5, 2021 0:14:44 GMT -5
I thought a couple were overly difficult for this version, but most of the misses were just blown. They weren't random adjective and noun combos or obscure phrases like we get on the syndie show. I'm not sure how much more they could've dumbed down the puzzles to guarantee solves without having puzzles like ELM TREE or SNEAKERS where just about every letter is RSTLNE. They could start by doing one-word puzzles. It bothers me that the puzzle criteria is basically the same: no 3+ row puzzles in the $5000 rounds, and no single word BR's. I felt like the Holey Moley episode was the only one where they really didn't want either BR won. Did we even have any BR's with a J, Q, X, or Z? When Leslie Jones picked J and K, my first thought was, "She must have been watching syndie Wheel right before taping."
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Post by woffan9821 on Mar 5, 2021 0:52:53 GMT -5
^TIP JAR, although yeah, Holey Moley episode.
Celebrity Wheel worked because they took the already broken game of Wheel and just threw it in the trash, and the celebrities instead treated it like a comedy hour. It made for a terrible "game show" but an awesome show, and I want that type of writing on the show nowadays to an extent.
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Post by jimhattenwoffan on Mar 5, 2021 12:32:10 GMT -5
For me, words cannot even begin to describe how much FUN it's been watching these "Celebrity Wheel" shows, I've truly enjoyed watching them and I'm keeping my fingers TIGHTLY crossed, hoping & praying for a season 2 The celebrity shows were more loose, fun & exciting to watch than the plain, boring & dry, civilian "Wheel" shows (that's just me) and all of the celebrity participants TRULY enjoyed themselves & it was fun watching both Pat AND Vanna interacting with them. Plus, I have ALL 8 episodes on my DVR and I can watch them anytime I want to ! But I DO have to admit that some of the bonus rounds were EXTREMELY frustrating, especially Yvette Nicole Brown's when she failed to guess "A CAMEO APPEARANCE". While the addition of adding the $5,000, $10,000 & $20,000 with each puzzle solve was a nice gesture, it would've been FAR better if they'd just upgraded the wheel values (ex: $1,000, $1500, $1550, $2500, $2550, $3,000, $7500). I'm also on the fence about the 2-bonus round structure, I liked it & I DIDN'T like it and I also think instead of landing on a $1,000,000 wedge during the main gameplay, automatically place the $1,000,000 envelope on the bonus wheel, better yet: make it TWO (double the chance at winning). And not trying to copy off of MarioGS, but I too have rated all 8 shows from Favorite to LEAST favorite, also my favorite & LEAST favorite celebrity players: Leslie Jones/ Chandra Wilson/ Tony HawkDrew Carey/ Teri Hatcher/ Chrissy Metz Jennie Garth/ Karamo Brown/ Patton Oswalt Constance Zimmer/ Mario Menounos/ Yvette Nicole Brown Rachael Leigh Cook/ Sherri Shepherd/ Kevin NealonPaul Reubens/ Nicole Byer/ Joel McHaleRob Riggle/ Joe Tessitore/ Jeannie MaiRobert Herjavec/ Chris Harrison/ Alfonso Ribero Favorite Celebs: Leslie Jones, Teri Hatcher, Jennie Garth, Maria Menounos, Alfonso Ribero, Paul Reubens, Joe Tessitore, Sherri Shepherd LEAST Favorite Celebs: Chris Harrison, Kamaro Brown, Jeannie Mai, Tony Hawk
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Post by wheelfan910 on Mar 5, 2021 14:45:35 GMT -5
As for my thoughts, I thought it was an interesting exercise in what Mike Richards is capable of doing with wheel. It definitely gave the show the most positive publicity it’s had in a long time. It was a definitely a valiant effort all around and what I hope is the first step in making wheel more relevant again.
The casting for these shows was *outstanding*. Even the unlikely matchups proved to be a lot of fun together. It’s hard to say that I disliked any of the episodes, but I may like more than others obviously. I feel like gameplay shouldn’t be criticized much considering most of the celebs probably didn’t watch the show much, but I think the genuine humor and camaraderie between the contestants made it so much more of a joy to watch. If you were expecting this to be top-tier gameplay, then you were only ruining the fun for yourself.
I also felt like the energy on these shows was incredible and something wheel has lacked for at least the last 10 years. It felt loose and that people weren’t taking themselves too serious, which is exactly what you want in a show like this. It definitely showed in Pat’s hosting that he was legitimately having fun out there. I also like how they gave Vanna a microphone and made her feel more like part of the show (not that she wasn’t before). I definitely hope they implement this on the regular show.
The writing was also a massive improvement from the regular show and something they also need to implement there. It felt nice not to have some obscure 70’s song lyrics or vacation related puzzle. It was a huge refresher and made wheel fit in more with game shows that stick with more hip and modern material. There were also several puzzles where they basically said “screw it, we’re in Primetime, we can do whatever we want”, and that made it all the more fun.
Like most people, I agree that the solve bonuses were ridiculous. It felt like every round was a prize puzzle that got more and more obnoxious each round. There’s no point in spinning when every space except one is less than $1000. It gave off the vibe that they were going to add higher values but didn’t have time to make them so they resorted to this instead. Clearly they weren’t going to remove every normal game play element and play for normal stakes, that would look too cheap. This feels like they’re overdoing it when the easy way out is to just upgrade the wheel values. I am glad they streamlined the game because odds are most of the celebs probably wouldn’t know how most of the normal gameplay elements work.
Then there’s the whole MDW thing. I don’t have a problem with them increasing the chances to win the million, however, I don’t get the point in so many being on the wheel if they were only allowed one at a time. The whole “MDW being a $1000 space” felt terribly awkward and forced. It seemed as though they wanted to give away the million, but didn’t want celebs to have any advantage over civilians in regular play.
As for the BR, I thought the distribution was alright. Although, I’m not sure why they’re fine with $25k here but not on the regular show. Clearly they weren’t gonna do the whole $3X,000 thing, but this caught me off guard. I thought the puzzle difficulty was appropriate for the most part. Most of the puzzles were very easy to get with RSTLNE, the way it should be.
Anyways, I don’t mean to blab on forever but I really enjoyed the whole season, but some warts really prevented me from saying this was the best thing ever.
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Post by bevy on Mar 5, 2021 22:14:58 GMT -5
I just enjoyed extra Wheel episodes & hopefully it got Wheel some respect in what seems like a Jeopardy year, with Alex’s last shows & all the guest hosts. You could tell which Celebrities were true fans & did well. I kept thinking about my turn at the Wheel & how much more friendly banter the celebrities had. We were told to just call the letter, no extra words. They preface everything with a sentence or 2! 😉
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Post by logicman27 on Mar 6, 2021 13:28:06 GMT -5
For what it’s worth, I enjoyed it. Like bevy said, it feels like an extra helping of WHEEL, and that’s what counts. The celebrities themselves were a lot of fun to watch, and it seems like Pat himself was livelier than the syndie show - it amounts to a 1-hour escape of comedy and gameplay. I love how the puzzle writing is more varied - you could literally see that the writing team knew that non-LFATs would be watching the show as well. Yeah, the solve bonuses made this thing too gimmicky, but I’ll bet that the crew was just too lazy in redressing the wheel for this version (aside from the $950 wedge). Personally, I found most of the BRs to be pretty easy (obviously, they won’t throw something like BIKING IN UTAH), but Mario’s right in the fact the show needs to scale back to Wheel 2000 difficulty. BEDROOM VANITY was probably a bit too difficult for this version, but I’ll say that most of the misses were blown. Now, if they’ll do another season, I can’t see them changing the gameplay structure. They can’t take suggestions from MarioGS and give the rules a major overhaul or have the audience cheer after big spins. Most of the audience doesn’t even care about the faulty structure in this version. They’re just glad that the show got the PRIMETIME treatment.
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Post by newt on Mar 6, 2021 22:07:34 GMT -5
I loved Celebrity Wheel of Fortune! It was very funny! I hope there would be another season of it!
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Post by billygr on Mar 7, 2021 16:22:24 GMT -5
Then there’s the whole MDW thing. I don’t have a problem with them increasing the chances to win the million, however, I don’t get the point in so many being on the wheel if they were only allowed one at a time. The whole “MDW being a $1000 space” felt terribly awkward and forced. It seemed as though they wanted to give away the million, but didn’t want celebs to have any advantage over civilians in regular play. As for the BR, I thought the distribution was alright. Although, I’m not sure why they’re fine with $25k here but not on the regular show. Clearly they weren’t gonna do the whole $3X,000 thing, but this caught me off guard. I thought the puzzle difficulty was appropriate for the most part. Most of the puzzles were very easy to get with RSTLNE, the way it should be. I'd suspect the idea of having multiple wedges was to make it more likely that more of the celebrities would wind up with one, to allow for more times where the $1 Million was a possibility in the bonus round. Not that it helped. Of course, even with one they already had an advantage, since the entire wedge was a win, rather than the usual 1/3 with 2 small Bankrupt spaces around it. That $25,000 seemed odd - when they are adding money everywhere else (both for charity and because it's a primetime show), why put that in so that a winner could wind up with LESS than on the regular show? If they didn't want to use the $38,000 (since the meaning isn't apparent in this version, not having been on for years), making it a flat $40,000, then the $50,000 / $75,000 / $100,000 to go with it would have seemed more sensible.
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