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Post by WayoshiM on Feb 28, 2013 21:53:14 GMT -5
=then go to find the forums later (like so many of us did after hearing about the forums from the contestant coordinators) Uh... the contestant coordinators don't really know about this place, do they?
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Post by MarioGS on Feb 28, 2013 21:54:04 GMT -5
Put yourself in her shoes - imagine that even getting to the taping was really stressful with the recent hurricane and who knows what else in your life, you're there alone, and maybe you don't handle pressure well, and you do your best, then go to find the forums later (like so many of us did after hearing about the forums from the contestant coordinators) and reading that description above about yourself. You'd feel pretty terrible. Could you expand on what the coordinators said about "forums" please, Kate? Same in your case if applicable, Jonathan.
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Post by jmdarrall on Feb 28, 2013 22:58:31 GMT -5
I did not hear about these specific forums or any others (if they said anything about them, it was really generic) from the coordinators. In fact, I did not visit these boards or register until AFTER I returned. I do remember on my post-show pink slip, the following disclaimer: "Regarding blogging, social media, message boards, etc., please do not comment on the show until after it has aired."
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Post by WarioSajak on Mar 1, 2013 3:47:18 GMT -5
=then go to find the forums later (like so many of us did after hearing about the forums from the contestant coordinators) Uh... the contestant coordinators don't really know about this place, do they? If they do, my chances of being a contestant have been shot in the face by a GS-79 an AK-47. [EDIT 3/2/13 to repost the first half in its original topic.]
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Post by katemonster on Mar 1, 2013 12:46:28 GMT -5
=then go to find the forums later (like so many of us did after hearing about the forums from the contestant coordinators) Uh... the contestant coordinators don't really know about this place, do they? They didn't specifically mention this forum by name, but with our group, they talked a lot about the "hardcore fans on the forums," and explained that the reason we shouldn't post anything about our episode before it airs is because "there are people on the forums who are intense about scouring the internet - facebook, twitter, instagram, everything - for any hints about upcoming shows." So that's why as soon as I got home, I googled "wheel of fortune forum" and this was the first one to came up, and thus I found my way here. So I'd say there's a darn good chance they know about you hahaha
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Post by WayoshiM on Mar 1, 2013 13:46:39 GMT -5
Ruh roh... Sony boards certainly are empty post-hack, so...
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Post by Prizes on Mar 1, 2013 15:22:11 GMT -5
Let me preface this, this is not going to be speculation, at all. Any post without substantial prior post evidence or experience with Wheel will be gone. Exceptions are granted for analysis of Sony/Wheel coordinators are welcome, and how it affects this site. For example, "I think it's good Sony knows because it lets us know to some degree that our thoughts are heard, if not followed," is a good sample statement. If you post things along the lines of: 'Sony sucks, how dare they try to deny us info!!11!'), then you're dealing with me. And I don't play nice. Essentially, show them the same respect you'd want to be treated with; constructive criticism is fine, so long as it isn't excessive. We start with this, from Kate, with another notable nugget... ...[T]hen go to find the forums later (like so many of us did after hearing about the forums from the contestant coordinators)... ------------- Well, there's 3 boards I know that deal with Wheel: This one, Sony, and Television without Pity (which often sources here, and is only one megathread; updated about 3 times a week). Have to think it's us, so, hi, Wheel; regardless of what you think of us, thanks for looking, it means we're doing something right. Upon a Google search of "wheel of fortune message board", we are, in fact, the top spot, right above Sony. Ultimately, I think this is a good thing, for both parties; we're recognized by the show, which gains us new members, in turn. The show, in return, gets fair feedback, which might be a bit scathing, but we're here to discuss the good, bad, ugly, and everything in between; no show, given there's a fan forum for it, is immune from criticism. We just want to see Wheel succeed, with some classic touches (which has been very nicely done in a couple of ways this season, with retro bonus rounds, and opening clips; thanks!). I don't know why they'd want to hide info, like theme week names, from us to be completely honest; we're the true Wheel Watchers, we're going to watch regardless. What does it hurt? Spoiling information about episodes, such as totals, prizes/cash won in advance is what I think we mutually agree upon, Sony; we prohibit that info (well, totals, wedges hit and the like; theme weeks we just like to know and don't view as spoiling, because we want to know the time from filming to air) from being disclosed, for the same reasons you do; to maintain interest and bring about more growth within the show. But, really, in summary, what have we, as a site, done that harms you in any way? We share airdates, theme weeks, and experiences of being on the show, but only after the show, just as we both want it. In fact, the game show community as a whole has had more interest in Wheel and its history, both past and present, because of this board. Isn't that what you want? More eyeballs, more dough? If you're from Sony, reading this, and care to explain what and why to me in a brief statement is harming the show's growth, through this board medium, through what we 'spoil'; by all means, I'd like to know. So, yeah, Kate, thanks for... a word of advice! (YEAAAHH!) Discuss and analyze away, the implications of this possible finding, and your opinion as to why it's good or bad.
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Post by WayoshiM on Mar 1, 2013 16:02:47 GMT -5
I don't see any evidence they're taking any advice from us, all we've just heard is that they know we look for spoilers quite a bit (which is common of any fandom). The only bit I would say is anything this season is that recent puzzle with a modern song.
I also highly doubt any Wheel worker can register & post here.
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Post by Prizes on Mar 1, 2013 16:04:54 GMT -5
I don't see any evidence they're taking any advice from us...The only bit I would say is anything this season is that recent puzzle with a modern song. That's one, but I also thought about Mario's 1/2 Car idea, to have the car on a rotational schedule, which is entirely what's happening. Up for more debate is whether the upped Wheel values for this season were due to that wheel thread earlier this summer (not likely, but it's at least a remote possibility).
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Post by StrangerCoug on Mar 1, 2013 16:16:18 GMT -5
If that's confirmed, then it shows Sony's listening to its fans. (If it is: $1,500 again, please, please, pretty please?) It's also a good thing if we're on a mutual understanding of what can be disclosed and what can't.
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Post by katemonster on Mar 1, 2013 16:20:33 GMT -5
So, yeah, Kate, thanks for... a word of advice! (YEAAAHH!) Aaaaahahahahahahhaa you are so welcome To continue on my previous post, the team there said nothing bad about the forums. In fact, they seemed to revel in the fact that there were people dedicated enough to the show to hunt for information. I don't think that they necessarily have any problem with us knowing what the theme weeks are, or what's coming up, but I mean, if you could hand someone information or make them go on a scavenger hunt, wouldn't you make them go on a scavenger hunt? I think one reason we HAVEN'T heard from them is that the rules of this forum fit right into what they want - we talk about the show, we create buzz, but we also allow just a tiny bit of preview (like what theme weeks are coming up) without posting any material spoilers. And, yes, they could possibly check in occasionally and see what we're saying. I don't think we'd ever get confirmation that they're taking suggestions from here, but it wouldn't surprise me if they got some inspiration from these forums for some of the ideas.
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Post by MarioGS on Mar 1, 2013 17:29:09 GMT -5
Uh... the contestant coordinators don't really know about this place, do they? They didn't specifically mention this forum by name, but with our group, they talked a lot about the "hardcore fans on the forums," and explained that the reason we shouldn't post anything about our episode before it airs is because "there are people on the forums who are intense about scouring the internet - facebook, twitter, instagram, everything - for any hints about upcoming shows." Yep, that's us. Let's not also forget that last year, after one contestant took Andy's advice on picking BGHO in the Bonus Round and succeeded, he told Pat where he got that advice. Concerning "listening", I would think that the $500 + cardboard rule would have been a sign. Hopefully the addition of $1500 will be another. Well said regarding everything, Jon. But Jackie, Shannon, and Alex (from WOF)...I'm still mad at you ladies for not giving me a second chance to audition after Wilkes-Barre.
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Post by jmdarrall on Mar 1, 2013 21:20:00 GMT -5
In short, I think they know we exist, and the publicity and buzz could be good for them. I am trying my darndest not to post anything that could be construed as giving away gameplay, so I'll stay as silent as I can until my show airs.
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Post by WarioSajak on Mar 2, 2013 3:53:48 GMT -5
Hi, Wheel. :wave: Upon a Google search of "wheel of fortune message board", we are, in fact, the top spot, right above Sony. The official Sony forums are great, and thankfully a lot of the old posts were preserved by the Internet Archive, but this still shocks me. From a factual standpoint, the official Wheel forums are nowhere near as active as this one, and there's several reasons for that. In fact, the game show community as a whole has had more interest in Wheel and its history, both past and present, because of this board. Could you share some examples, Jon? I'm really not seeing it, unless I've been failing a spot check for the past two years...and wow do I feel old right now. Fun little aside: the History Wiki sprung from the two forums -- my initial suggestion (and very, very preliminary start) here in 2009, TPH linking to his Angelfire-hosted timeline there in 2011. The use of Rolf Benirschke's first Bonus Round on February 20 pretty much cemented that Wheel, or at least whoever's been selecting the retro bonus puzzles, knows of said Wiki -- as I noted in that recap thread, there's really no other reason they'd use that particular one. Regarding the "more eyeballs to/appreciation of Wheel" comment, I like to think the Video Archives (Daytime, Nighttime, and International; the concept was TPH's suggestion) have done that for Wheel in regard to the past and present...and their whole mission's been to collect the episodes and clips that have been uploaded all across the internet and put them in one place to be enjoyed -- the historical notes and chronological ordering are merely the potatoes to the episodes' steak, the sides to the turkey, etc. I'm sure Sony knows of them, since I linked to the lot on the official forums after someone asked where she could find episodes for a child fan. Discuss and analyze away, the implications of this possible finding, and your opinion as to why it's good or bad. I'm wary regarding eligibility, but other than that I'm really certain I'm never going to be a contestant on Wheel because of what I've said on this forum. I freely admit some of my comments went a bit overboard, and I was definitely wrong about Free Play, but I stand by much of what I've said over the past three-and-a-half years (... ). Unlike many who've said "I'm never watching this show again!" over the years and rescinded shortly afterward, I've only watched about 2-3 full episodes since Season 28 (one of which was Sanam's appearance). Concerning "listening", I would think that the $500 + cardboard rule would have been a sign. Weren't you the one who suggested that Wheel tone down on using the applause/groan/etc. machine? I remember you thinking that they were listening once we got into a decent-sized stretch of episodes that had some pretty awkward silence...I think near the beginning of this season? And hey, they brought back $650 and the onscreen Bonus Round timer. But I ramble.
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Post by tenpoundhammer on Mar 2, 2013 4:46:29 GMT -5
And speaking of which, the usage of Rolf Benirschke's first Bonus Round on February 20 pretty much cemented that Wheel, or at least whoever's been selecting the retro bonus puzzles, knows of said Wiki -- as I noted in that thread, there's really no other reason they'd use that particular Bonus Round. I figure someone at Wheel has known about the wiki for a while now. Many of the clips and retro BRs they've drawn from have been events mentioned on the timeline.
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Post by WarioSajak on Mar 2, 2013 5:31:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I remember you having that suspicion from almost the beginning of the season, and I had my doubts for various reasons. Rolf's first Bonus Round showing up, though, was the exact moment where Wheel (or at least whoever's been selecting the classic clips) said "If you didn't guess it by now, yes we know about you." and pretty much eradicated any remaining doubts, because nobody except us would've really caught that.
Kate's post about the contestant coordinators talking a lot about "hardcore fans on the forums" just cements it further, and their saying "there are people on the forums who are intense about scouring the internet ... for any hints about upcoming shows" is the (place?)kicker because that can only be referring to the Taping/Airing Schedule threads for Seasons 29 and 30, neither of which have any kind of equivalent anywhere else, let alone the Sony boards.
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Post by StrangerCoug on Mar 2, 2013 14:33:25 GMT -5
We don't exist in a bubble. We're too big. I don't have much to say about this that hasn't been addressed already.
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Post by tenpoundhammer on Mar 2, 2013 17:07:49 GMT -5
ZOMG, Coug's avatar isn't a cougar anymore!
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Post by Prizes on Mar 2, 2013 17:16:40 GMT -5
In fact, the game show community as a whole has had more interest in Wheel and its history, both past and present, because of this board. Could you share some examples, Jon? I'm really not seeing it, unless I've been failing a spot check for the past two years...and wow do I feel old right now. Fun little aside: the History Wiki sprung from the two forums -- my initial suggestion (and very, very preliminary start) here in 2009, TPH linking to his Angelfire-hosted timeline there in 2011. Actually, the WOF History Wiki was my first thought when I wrote that, since I remember you stated last summer that this site was a small part of what brought the wiki to existence. The other notable sites are awesome, too; Wayo's WOFTracker, wheelgenius' DeviantART wheel makings, and Guint's puzzle compedium. These all serve valid purposes (fairly obvious what the amazing Wiki does that you, Bobby, OMK, among many others have kept up). To go into further detail: Wayo's helps to find cycle edits, along with contestant strength; should a certain player have spun again, as well as letter frequencies. Wheelgenius are more than just nice to look at, he helps provide historical info on wheel value fronts, and gives vectors for people to make, to make their own wheels. If people want to look at and/or make historical wheels, they'll probably go both here and likely the History Wiki, so you and Bobby get a kickback effect from that. Last but not least, Guint's is incredibly effective in checking how often puzzles are repeated, category usage, and a quick way to see how puzzle style has "evolved" (you know exactly what I mean here, Dan) over the years. Beyond linked sites, Game Show Follies (up for About.com's 2013 best non-official game show site!) seems to link to us a ton, known by many to be awesome, lists us an reference, linking to recap threads, our analysis, most notably during the SWIMMIN' incident. This in turn helps a popular site, which helps us, which winds up with more people watching. Also, Invision/Game Show Forum, as you know, to some extent, seems to be a bit more respected there, and often links back to us for resourcing or questions (just think of when you threw in Wheel 2000, for a prospective question, a few weeks back). But how does this affect your sites (Wiki, Compedium, etc.) and Wheel interest as a whole? Well, if people know there's a site for good Wheel discussion, just maybe those people who don't take Wheel seriously, will consider it a bit more, even if only to discuss the show's past, because there's a good site to discuss it at. Inevitably, you'll want to see what we think are good sites from our links, and there you have it. ZOMG, Coug's avatar isn't a cougar anymore! No, he's still a cougar, just a early/mid 20s, and male cougar.
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Post by WarioSajak on Mar 3, 2013 5:48:40 GMT -5
Just as an addendum regarding the History Wiki itself: many of the personnel pages (those under "Category:People") are compiled from articles and interviews all around the internet into one coherent place, and some have more meat (or at least less fat) than their Wikipedia counterparts. Actually, the WOF History Wiki was my first thought when I wrote that, since I remember you stated last summer that this site was a small part of what brought the wiki to existence. Last Summer? Best I can find is this from January 2012, unless you're referring to that PM I sent you in August 2012. I'm leaning toward the latter, but hey... Wheelgenius are more than just nice to look at, he helps provide historical info on wheel value fronts, and gives vectors for people to make, to make their own wheels. If people want to look at and/or make historical wheels, they'll probably go both here and likely the History Wiki, so you and Bobby get a kickback effect from that. And W. Austin Higgins, who created the pictures for the Wheel Configurations page. I should also point out that Guint and John/Gameshowguy2000 added at least 70% of the post-Season 6 nighttime shows to the Video Archives (hence why the subpages exist), and Greg Brobeck/Snowpeck brought a great amount of order to Seasons 1-6 and the corresponding daytime period plus the 1973-75 era. The History Wiki -- and this community as a whole, really -- has always been a team effort is what I'm saying. (Speaking of which, we really should get someone to watch and take notes of the '76 and '78 shows at Paley Center.) Also, Invision/Game Show Forum, as you know, to some extent, seems to be a bit more respected there, and often links back to us for resourcing or questions (just think of when you threw in Wheel 2000, for a prospective question, a few weeks back). What, this post? Still, I'm not exactly respected by The Game Show Forum for reasons that are somewhat my fault (long, long story); at one point, I said I was open to suggestions regarding the History Wiki (ideas on how to improve it, that kind of thing) and somebody responded "What, so you can use it as toilet paper?" But how does this affect your sites (Wiki, Compedium, etc.) and Wheel interest as a whole? Well, if people know there's a site for good Wheel discussion, just maybe those people who don't take Wheel seriously, will consider it a bit more, even if only to discuss the show's past, because there's a good site to discuss it at. Inevitably, you'll want to see what we think are good sites from our links, and there you have it. Very well said, Jon.
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