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Post by wheelgenius on Nov 8, 2021 21:51:08 GMT -5
Sorry I haven't posted here in a while. Been focusing more on my job and/or education. I don't know which forum I could post this subject, but anyway, I came across a photo on Facebook. This came from a 1978 NBC press kit. There, I stumbled upon a 1975 WOF photo. Can anyone make out what round this wheel is? This may not even match up with the layouts I've done.
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Post by MarioGS on Nov 8, 2021 21:55:11 GMT -5
We know it has to be at least Round 2 because I see $750 on there, three clockwise of the Bankrupt closest to the camera.
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Post by germanname1990 on Nov 8, 2021 22:56:55 GMT -5
I'm not surprised someone beat me to this already, but you got this from the Game Show Memorabilia Museum, right, wheelgenius ? This has to be Round 2! Here's a close-up. And here's more photo-stretching magic. So based on what he have, here is my best guess as to what the values are, going clockwise. Bankrupt $400 $100 $750 $125 $150 $400 $200 Bankrupt $600 (possibly) $100 $300 Free Spin $100 $400 $50 Lose A Turn $200 (unsure) $350 $150 Buy A Vowel $500 $50 $200
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Post by mechamind on Nov 8, 2021 23:18:59 GMT -5
Well, well. Free Spin and two BANKRUPT spaces in Round 2? I guess it was some early weirdness in the series.
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Post by Bryce L. on Nov 8, 2021 23:36:33 GMT -5
Well, well. Free Spin and two BANKRUPT spaces in Round 2? I guess it was some early weirdness in the series. No weirder than two Lose A Turn spaces in Round 3, if you think about it.
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Post by germanname1990 on Nov 9, 2021 0:54:47 GMT -5
After analyzing the photos, it looks as if the template divides between the tan $50 and periwinkle $200 on one side and the light tan $100 and navy blue $300 on the other. Combined with what I said about an hour ago, here is my attempt at recreating of the layout. Note some of the colors may be off, and again, I am not completely sure of all the values, notably the $200 clockwise of Lose A Turn as well as the $600 clockwise of Bankrupt. www.deviantart.com/germanname/art/Wheel-of-Fortune-January-1975-Round-2-Likely-897404570
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Post by William on Nov 9, 2021 6:13:41 GMT -5
All I can say is just... wow! The first 1975 Round 2 wheel has been such an anomaly for the past decade. Who would have thought that photos of round 2 would surface before an actual 1975 episode did? Looks like my original theory of rounds 2-3 mostly sharing a template has been proven false, and all three rounds originally had a completely different wheel. Seems kinda odd that they built a whole round 2 template only to completely discard it less than seven months later. I've been trying to decipher the colors myself. It certainly doesn't help that there were three shades of orange early on (one of which has previously only been known for the $800 space in round 3). Both photos have slightly washed-out colors, but I think some of the darker orange looking spaces are red (including the $750, just like it was in the pilots). Mine as well may be off, but these are the colors I've come up with after a close examination:
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Post by SmashWhammy on Nov 9, 2021 12:27:32 GMT -5
i didn't expect to see this when i woke up this morning, that's for sure
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Post by wheelgenius on Nov 9, 2021 20:17:15 GMT -5
With William's observation, here's my take.
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Post by germanname1990 on Nov 9, 2021 23:22:05 GMT -5
Looks like my original theory of rounds 2-3 mostly sharing a template has been proven false, and all three rounds originally had a completely different wheel. Seems kinda odd that they built a whole round 2 template only to completely discard it less than seven months later. You're not the only one who had such a theory. After listening to that July 1975 episode back in 2015, I was also thinking that we may have already had the Round 2 layout from January 1975 without even knowing it (whether it'd be the one also used in Round 1 or Round 3). Even so, it sometimes feels good to be wrong, doesn't it? And you have a point with scrapping such a template within a few months. This is certainly the shortest-lived template style apart from those used in the three pilots, and I wouldn't be surprised if they made no value increases whatsoever before replacing it with the Round 3 template. In fact, there's a possibility that the first day without this template may have also been the first day with $100 as the minimum value throughout the game. Now another thing I thought I'd bring up is how the special spaces are arranged. There may have been some sort of pattern after all. Apart from single large areas of dollar amounts, most of the special spaces are almost at an equal distance from one another. Barring one instance where there were only three, Round 1 had a couple occurrences of four cash spaces separated by special spaces. Round 2 had groups of three consecutive cash spaces while Round 3 had only two. The number of special spaces themselves started at four and increased by one each round. So there were some aspects that carried over from the pilots, albeit with a few small changes here and there. As for you, wheelgenius, you've done a fine job there with your take.
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Post by Bryce L. on Nov 9, 2021 23:53:23 GMT -5
Very good observations germanname1990 , particularly with the "pseudo-pattern" idea there. And if I were a betting man, I'd also put the day where $100 became the smallest dollar on the Wheel as the day this template was scrapped. And to add to that, I'm also guessing that's when a number of other changes also took place, such as... 1) the addition of the second $500 wedge in Round 1 2) the removal of the second Lose A Turn from the original Round 3 template 3) the option to put unspent money on a gift certificate 4) the increase of the house minimum for winning a round from $100 to $200 Now if someone could put this into the network timeline on the Wiki (in a more eloquent manner than I could, that is), it'd be much appreciated.
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Post by germanname1990 on Nov 18, 2021 0:26:02 GMT -5
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Post by William on Nov 21, 2021 23:51:16 GMT -5
Another similarity to the pilot wheels I've noticed is that, in most cases, the highest amounts are touching the penalty wedges. Not all of them are, and they're not always to the right of the penalty wedges, like they were in the pilots. But in round 1, $500 and $450 are touching Bankrupt and Lose a Turn; in round 2, $600 is touching Bankrupt; and in round 3, $800 and $900 are touching Lose a Turn and Bankrupt.
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Post by germanname1990 on Nov 30, 2021 5:08:36 GMT -5
That is indeed true. Another thing I noticed is that the top dollar values for each round is in the largest area of consecutive cash values. And by the way, while I'm here, William, something I thought I'd point out. In regards to the $400 and $100 between Bankrupt and $750, I would recommend swapping colors.
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Post by wheelgenius on Dec 1, 2021 20:42:07 GMT -5
I'll take care of this situation.
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Post by William on Dec 2, 2021 14:40:29 GMT -5
And by the way, while I'm here, William, something I thought I'd point out. In regards to the $400 and $100 between Bankrupt and $750, I would recommend swapping colors. Yeah, I see what you mean. Those oranges can really fool the eyes. The only other space in question is the $400 between $200 and $150. It's possible that one is actually gold but I think we have it right. Great job again to everyone involved! A lot of holes from the early days have been filled in recently by way of photos and audio recordings. I personally believe that Chuck has a number of 1975 episodes in his possession. Unless he decides to release these publicly, we may never get to actually see a full 1975 episode.
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Post by germanname1990 on Dec 3, 2021 4:11:49 GMT -5
Now that you brought that up, I realize I need to fix that space up in my take. I'll do so as soon as I get the chance. I appreciate you bringing that up. As for the spaces that you and wheelgenius deemed red, I admit I've been a bit too unsure to not be conservative about them. Part of this was based on the fact that there were no red spaces whatsoever on the Round 1 layouts used in the 1974 pilots. In fact, I agree the $350 space on that layout should've been such a color. After I took more recent looks at these 1975 photos, however, I noticed that they do appear to be much more reddish. Finally, try not to get too pessimistic with seeing 1975 episodes, William . I'm not someone who gives up unless I know for sure that there's no other choice. Most of the time, we just have to wait, keep checking, and have hope. In fact, all that waiting, checking, and hoping ultimately awarded me my Live Play game nearly two years ago. Video evidence exists of the premiere and at least one of the hour-long shows. So it'll only be a matter of time before we get to see these episodes in their entirety. I myself wasn't expecting photos to provide our first taste of the 1975 Round 2 layout. In fact, when I was looking through photos that press kit book at the Memorabilia Museum, I was expecting to see photos of the show from no earlier than 1977, considering the book was from 1978. The second I saw these photos for the first time, however, I realized I got more than I bargained for, and I knew right away that the news was going to make its way here to the Boards almost instantaneously. So with all that being said, if I can get my Live Play game, I'm sure we can see these episodes one day soon enough.
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Post by William on Feb 14, 2022 4:31:30 GMT -5
My computer doesn’t work at the moment, so I’m on my phone and can’t post pictures. But I’ll explain what I just noticed… and I can’t believe no one noticed sooner.
It’s another pretty glaring similarity between the 1974 and 1975 wheels. We’ve all known since basically the 3000th episode that the round 2 (74) and round 1 (75) were clearly based off each other, with similar wedge placement and colors. But it does go further than that.
When looking at the round 4 (74) and round 3 (75) wheels, there is a large stretch on both of them which feature basically the exact same values. These are, in the 1974 sequence:
$100 Bankrupt $900 $650 $350 Buy a Vowel $250 $600 $200 Lose a Turn $800 $450 $50 Bankrupt $1000 $700
The exact same values appear on the 1975 wheel, adding the second Lose a Turn and Buy a Vowel, but pretty much in the same order. Slightly differently placement to fit the altered wheel pattern, with the $100 and $700 receiving the most significant shifts in position.
Less notable are the similarities in the round 3 (74) and round 2 (75) wheels, but there is a slight pattern, again featuring only about half the wheel. In 1974, starting with the $750 and going counterclockwise, I’ll name off some values:
$750 Bankrupt $100 $400 $200 Buy a Vowel $150 $500 $350 Lose a Turn
On the 1975 wheel, if you do the same thing and go from $750 to Lose a Turn, those same values appear again and in almost the same order. There are two more values in this sequence on each wheel which are changed ($550/$700 —> $50/$200). There are no real big similarities on the other half of both of those wheels, with $300 touching Free Spin being the biggest commonality there.
So there you have it, all three of the first 1975 wheels were mostly modeled after their pilot counterparts. Has anyone else ever noticed this? Particularly my first example, the templates of which we’ve fully known for a decade now…
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Post by germanname1990 on Feb 15, 2022 1:07:59 GMT -5
Interesting.
Now I mentioned the pseudo-patterns a while back, but placements of the special spots in Rounds 1 and 2 from 1975 are respectively based off of Rounds 3 and 4 of the 1974 pilots, albeit with $75 taking place of a non-cash spot in Round 1 and $125 taking place of a non-cash spot in Round 2. I'm sure many of you may have known that by now, but thought I'd point that out for those who don't.
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Post by wof1395 on Feb 18, 2022 14:15:13 GMT -5
I've compared this template to an Australia Round 2 template: In this section: -The second highest value comes right before a penalty space -The TDV is near the middle of this section -Increase/decrease pattern of the values is similar (with an extra space in the AUS template) Since the US template had such a short life (and 6 years before the Australian version premiered), the similarities are very interesting. It makes one wonder if there was a source of inspiration or just sheer coincidence.
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