spinthewheel123
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Post by spinthewheel123 on Apr 20, 2024 13:35:41 GMT -5
Now, it may be early, but since this season will start taping in a month, I think we can start our hopes/predictions.
With a new host, I don't see much gameplay changes for the first season with Ryan as the host. But what are your hopes/predictions?
This is what I am hoping:
Change the $1,000 Toss-Up value to $2,000. So now all Toss-Up's are worth $2,000. So you get more money for solving the first Toss-Up than you do just for showing up.
Changes to the wheel:
Move the Wild Card back to it's original location. The green $500 between the pink $650 and orange $900. After Half Car retired, I always felt they should have moved the Wild Card back.
Change values the two green $500 wedges.
Revert the purple $500 where Gift Tag was to $550. Also change the pink $500 under the Million-Dollar Wedge.
I know they might still be using these $500 wedges for special weeks for special cardboard to be worth $500/per consonant. Such as a second prize on one of the green $500's, the expedition cruise wedge on the purple $500, the Double Jackpot also on the purple $500, and the Gift Tag actually returned for one week in Season 41.
Revert the orange $650 to $800. This was one of the wedges that was decreased in Season 33 due to budget. But since the yellow $900 returned in April 2019, there have been two $900 wedges but only one $800. So let's have two $800's and two $900's. The pink $600 is fine though. Change one of the wedges to $750. We have $850 now, but not $750. As you know $750 is the only multiple of 50 from 500-950 to not be used on the show at all.
A $950 wedge since there is one on CWOF. $4,000 wedge in Round 3.
Regular non-TDV 4-digit values like $1,000 $1,500 and $2,000. These Wheel changes are probably not going to happen though and the Wheel will probably be the same as last season.
New categories:
The 2000's
The 2010's
Both of these decades have passed.
And, better puzzle writing!
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Post by newt on Apr 20, 2024 15:58:37 GMT -5
I would love to see the return of road shows. I miss that dearly. I would like to see some sort of tournament as well.
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spinthewheel123
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Post by spinthewheel123 on Apr 20, 2024 17:31:11 GMT -5
^ Yes. I thought they should have done some road shows for Pat's last season. New York would be nice for a road show! And yes, how about a tournament! As you know, Pat was opposed to tournaments, so with a new host, there could be some more tournaments. I think maybe we should bring back Friday finals every week!
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Post by wheelfan910 on Apr 20, 2024 18:31:34 GMT -5
According to audience coordinator Lee Valentine, Sony is no longer willing to front the bill for remote shoots. So unless another sponsored opportunity like the S35 Disney shows comes about if they have a change of heart, road shows are definitely a thing of the past.
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Post by wipeoutman33 on Apr 20, 2024 22:45:24 GMT -5
They definitely need to bring back a way for contestants to retain their turn if they make a mistake. A “Free Spin” type token that doesn’t necessarily need to be named as such. Since the show began in ‘75, there has always been something like this in place in one form or another, and it’s absence is mind boggling in my opinion.
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Post by spinthewheel123 on Apr 20, 2024 23:06:05 GMT -5
^ Yes. I heard from MarioGS the reason why Free Spin got retired was because of the Million Dollar Wedge. Season 26 was the only season to have both the Million Dollar Wedge and the Free Spin. This maybe because someone could use the Free Spin when trying to lock their MDW and solve and then lock their MDW. But this could've happened with Free Play too. Someone could land on it, make a mistake, and get to lock their MDW. Now retiring Free Play makes the million even harder to win. The second permanent Bankrupt wedge next to the top dollar was also added because of the MDW. In 2012, a contestant lost their MDW to the Bankrupt next to the top dollar in Round 1 and then won the $100,000. The show saved $900,000 in that episode. As you may know, the reason Free Play got retired was because it was too complex. You don't have to spin again after calling a wrong letter but Pat sometimes said, "you can spin again." Also, in one of the final episodes with the Free Play wedge, someone landed on the Free Play wedge in Round 4, called a wrong letter, and the Final Spin bell rang. They replaced the Round 4 puzzle with a new one because they didn't know how to proceed. They should've just did the Final Spin, and then continued with their turn.
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Post by jjc927 on Apr 21, 2024 11:26:40 GMT -5
I'd love for road shows to return also (especially NYC!) and to bring back free spins/free plays in some way too. One thought I had was that they could give a Free Play to the winners of the opening Toss-Ups, which can be used at any point during the game.
I could also see them eliminating the $1,000 Toss-Up and start with the $2,000 Toss-Up to decide who begins round 1. Perhaps start with 1 $2,000 Toss-Up at the open, and then do a Double Toss-Up before round 1 for $2,000 each. Also, make $2,000 the house minimum.
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Post by GameShow75 on Apr 21, 2024 17:07:44 GMT -5
I support the idea of $2,000 being the new minimum because of inflation and travel expenses, especially since JEOPARDY! bumped their consolation prizes up by an extra $1,000 for 2nd and 3rd place, but it all depends on how much money is left in the budget.
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Post by germanname1990 on Apr 22, 2024 4:33:30 GMT -5
I'm sure many of us have been wanting $4000 as top value in Round 3 for a while now. I love the concept of the top value going up every round, at least up to Round 4. The idea of bringing up the first Toss-Up to $2000 is not bad either, but if that were to happen, I don't think it would hurt to bring the second Toss-Up to $2500 or $3000, but definitely keep the Triple Toss-Ups untouched for now.
I would also bring up some of the $500 spaces up for sure. The purple $500 that housed the Gift Tag could be brought up to $950. I was also thinking about bringing up the $650 next to it up to $850, but one of the green $500 spaces, specifically the one next to the blue $550, could be brought up to $800. The green $500 next to the pink $650 could be brought back up to $700 or maybe even higher to $750. Ultimately, there's really no reason for the Wheel to not have every three-digit multiple of $50 from $500 upwards at this point.
And although I love the Express, I always felt it should've replaced the Mystery and not the Jackpot. There are too many similarities between the Mystery and the Express, but I doubt it's return, at least anytime soon. Now if the Jackpot isn't brought back for next season, I'd move the Mystery to Round 1 and the Express to Round 2. I like how each Round had its own gimmick in Season 30 (Jackpot in Round 1, Mystery in Round 2, and Prize Puzzle in Round 3).
And a while back, a friend pointed out to me that Round 4 could have more four-digit dollar values. Initially, in addition to $5000, I thought about having $1500, $2000, and even $1250, but then for some reason, my mind just went all-in and decided upon also having $1000, $2500, $3500, and $4000 added to the mix. That way, it would potentially be easier for someone to overcome a huge lead. The fact that the contestant in control now determines the value combined with the $1000 rule helps this cause.
Another thing, add some flair to the Puzzle Board's border. Ever since Season 21 (barring Vegas episodes), the Puzzle Board has just seemed bare, even with a few shapes here and there behind it.
I also would like for vehicle rugs sporting Wheel layouts to come back. I remember we had that earlier in Season 41, albeit for just one week.
And then for $100,000 and Million-Dollar wins in the Bonus Round, give the on-screen graphics some pizazz. I know it has happened, but it's rare.
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Post by MarioGS on Apr 22, 2024 8:07:42 GMT -5
Another thing, add some flair to the Puzzle Board's border. Ever since Season 21 (barring Vegas episodes), the Puzzle Board has just seemed bare, even with a few shapes here and there behind it. They did expand the border in mid-Season 38 when Celebrity Wheel premiered.
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Post by germanname1990 on Apr 23, 2024 2:46:20 GMT -5
Yeah, that's right. I admit I was a little too focused on the civilian version. That said, however, if they can do that on the Celebrity version, they can definitely do that for the civilian version as well. If they use the same borders used on the Celebrity version albeit in a different color or maybe even a color scheme, that will at least be a step in an ideal direction.
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Post by MarioGS on Apr 23, 2024 7:41:30 GMT -5
^ They do. The changes permanently applied to both versions of the show. They don't take off the extra border for the regular show. The only difference is the gold coloring.
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Post by mrentertainment on Apr 25, 2024 3:42:41 GMT -5
$750 was used on the show on the show. It was originally used in Round 2 when it first in 1975 then it disappeared in July of that year, but it came back in 1979 (the year I was born) as the top dollar value in Round 1. $750 was used on the show until 1996. And $1,000 was retired from the show at the start for the 18th nighttime season, but it came back in Season 22. And spinthewheel123 is right, they should bring back $750, $1,500, and $2,000; they should also bring back $1,250 from the Bob Goen.
But my hopes for when Ryan Seacrest starts hosting next season are 2 things I'd like for Wheel to bring back:
1. Bring back the lights dimming in the bonus round.
2. Have the graphics of post-bonus round totals flashing on the screen again, but only when there's a bonus round win; if the bonus round is lost, then the graphics will just be a still image. (I wonder why Wheel stopped having the post-bonus round totals flashing?)
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Post by germanname1990 on Apr 25, 2024 4:23:16 GMT -5
I see what you're saying there, MarioGS , but when Celebrity Wheel premiered back in 2021, I thought I recalled reading at the Wiki that there were two sets of gold rings behind each side of the Puzzle Board kind of as an homage to the old one used from 1981-1994. Just now, I checked for pictures that proved me wrong. Then, I checked the Wiki, and I realized those rings were actually arches that bordered the glass Wheel cutouts flanking the video wall. So what I was trying to say was that if they had similar sets of arches or rings behind each side of the current Puzzle Board as an homage to the old Board, I think that would be really nice. Sorry for the confusion.
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Post by masoudfun1996 on Apr 27, 2024 7:49:22 GMT -5
I would absolutely prefer to have the bonus round win graphics be color coded by amount, $40,000 wins would be colored pink, $50,000 wins would be colored yellow, $75,000 wins would be colored cyan, and $100,000 or $1,000,000 wins would be colored gold with a green border. I also want the prize value and post-bonus round total graphics to be in silver with a green border.
I would also prefer for Neutraface to be used for category strips, RSTLNE and contestants' letter combos in the bonus round, the maingame scoreboard displays, letter bubbles that are shown on the bottom left of the screen, the contestants' totals shown on top of the screen, the Express graphic showing the current total for the contestant riding aboard said wedge and the closing credits as well as the aforementioned prize value, bonus round win and post-bonus round total graphics.
Don't worry, though; the puzzle board itself should remain in Helvetica Black Condensed as it always has been since 1997.
Removed unnecessary markup. It doesn't display properly on mobile devices and overall makes your post much harder to read.
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Post by sushibarset14 on Apr 27, 2024 12:38:17 GMT -5
For starters the puzzle writing needs a LOT of work, especially in the bonus round. Other than that, I probably won’t see too many changes. In the post-Trebek era of Jeopardy!, we haven’t seen many changes aside from a slight rearrangement to the theme, upping the prizes for 2nd and 3rd place, and the light pillars on the set being replaced.
What I would like to see, however, is the return of bonus categories (Who Is It?, Clue, etc.), and the expulsion of the Prize Puzzle (it’s never gonna happen); or at least make it less of a golden snitch. And I know we’ve also been advocating for a higher house minimum, should be $3,000. A grand doesn’t even cover travel expenses.
As I said, I’m not predicting too many, if any, changes, and the earlier taping dates (Ryan’s first episode tapes May) don’t help.
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Post by duke on Apr 30, 2024 16:37:26 GMT -5
Definitely want to see more HDV's in later rounds like the old days. Season 16 onward when we went "Layout B Forever", there's been a lot of gimmicky wedges that come and go, and while increasing just the TDV increases average DV, it doesn't do much for median DV, which makes the game progression much less interesting than it used to be. Aside from specials, spins on R4 are not that much different than spins on R1. Add a $1000 in R2, a $1500 in R3, and then $1250 and $2000 in R4, each replacing one of the lower DV's. It would be even better if the whole layout can be swapped at least once, but I seriously doubt we'd see that due to stopdown time concerns and having to swap add-ons and get them repositioned right and I get that. Maybe we can swap half a layout and thus bring back an updated Layout C?
I'd like to see fewer tossups. Good puzzle writing is at a premium as someone else pointed out, and it's not really efficient use of that resource to have half your puzzles thought about for less than 30 seconds apiece. With fewer tossups, each one can be made more valuable. Let's just do two tossups, a $3k between R1 and R2, and a $5k between R3 and R4.
Also, my wife is light-sensitive, so if we can keep the sparkles and flashes in the FX to a minimum and convey excitement in other visual ways, that would be great.
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Post by jeopardyfan939 on May 1, 2024 3:10:06 GMT -5
Here are my ideas: An updated arrangement of the "Changing Keys" theme music. Excluding the 2006/2007 music package, Wheel updated its music package like every two to six seasons: - 1983-1989: original "Changing Keys" disco-style theme.
- 1989-1992: same theme except now it's a smooth jazz rendition. Beginning with this version, a standalone cue is written for puzzle solves.
- 1992-1994: updated version of the 1989 theme now featuring distorted guitar, slower tempo.
- 1994-1997: Big band arrangement.
- 1997-2000: Soft big band version, arranged by Steve Kaplan.
- 2000-2002: "Happy Wheels" replaces "Changing Keys", and is composed by Steve Kaplan. New music beds are written for toss-up puzzles, speed-up round (beginning November 2000), and bonus wheel spin (October 2001).
- 2002-2006: Same as before except re-recorded to include saxophone riffs instead of guitars; toss-up cue, toss-up solve, and main puzzle solve cues are updated; new music cues are also written for the bonus round.
- 2006-2016: New rendition of "Happy Wheels" arranged by Frankie Blue. Toss-up solve, main puzzle solve, and bonus spin cues are updated. New standalone cues are written for prize reveal loss and win. Most of Steve Kaplan's cues continue to be used until February 2007, when they are replaced with new compositions by Frankie Blue. During Season 25, a new rock-based theme is used for the intro, composed by John Hoke. Speed-up cue is changed again. The last of Kaplan's music is retired – bonus fanfare win and bonus round win cue. Shortly after the start of Season 27, the cue for the bonus round prize reveal is changed to a new composition. Speed-up cue is updated in Season 28. New music cue for the Express debuts in Season 32.
- 2017-2021: New theme by John Hoke, which debuted on January 2, 2017. New cues written for toss-up, toss-up solve, main solve, final spin, speed-up, ad bonus round. Toss-up cue remixed in Season 35. Electric guitars added to theme in Season 37. Package retired at the end of Season 38 due to licensing issues
- 2021-present: "Changing Keys" reinstated, arranged by Bleeding Fingers Music. Toss-up, toss-up solve, main solve, speed-up, and bonus round cues are also changed to new compositions. Final spin and express cues carry over from the 2017 package.
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Post by spinthewheel123 on May 1, 2024 7:31:29 GMT -5
^ Yeah, but I don't see a new music package coming. I actually liked both the 2006-16 music package and the 2017-21 music package. And I thought the 2017 cues would last longer than they did. I could see a new Final Spin and Express cue though possibly. Also for Wheel layouts, I really think Wheel should've kept the minimum at $300 back in Season 32, even with inflation. Jeopardy! still has $200 and $400 clues! The S30 and S31 layouts were my favorite.
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Post by germanname1990 on May 2, 2024 17:35:27 GMT -5
You have a good point with the minimum. Wheel has increased the minimum numerous times while Jeopardy! has done it only once in the syndicated era. Maybe Jeopardy! should increase their values a little, but all the superchamps may have prevented it. At the same time, Wheel has been employing a one-and-done affair for years (apart from Fan Favorites week). So it could even out. And as for "Changing Keys," I certainly don't see the show making changes to it anytime soon. The theme used from 2006 to the end of 2016 is the longest-lasting version of the show to date, but I see this version of "Changing Keys" outlasting that, that is unless they make some changes to it. As long as it keeps the melody used from 1983-1994, however, I'm satisfied. Besides, "Changing Keys" is very iconic. It's the theme longtime Wheel fans such as myself have associated the show with. Now as I said earlier, I mentioned how the Speed-Up layout could look to help overcome a huge lead. I know it may look a bit radical and aggressive at first, and I don't see it happening right away, but I wouldn't be surprised if they adopted the likes of this somewhat soon. As you can see, every three-digit multiple of $50 from $500 up is present. Also present are all the regular four-digit values the show has ever used (even daytime's $1250 and $2000) plus $4000 that is if Season 42 adopts it. When I say regular, I'm omitting $6000 as that was a special one-week value.
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