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Post by daffyfan2004 on Apr 24, 2024 14:28:26 GMT -5
Hi, I'm new here and I have a question. I recentlu started watching the early eps of WOF (the syndicated version) on Pluto TV but I noticed Charlie filling in for Jack as the announcer in a few first season episodes. Yet according to Wheel History Wiki that didn't happen until season 3. Does anyone know what's up with that? Just curious there.
Also another question while I'm on the subject of Pluto TV. I hear they had some daytime Wheel episodes on Pluto including Pat and Vanna's first episodes. Are they still on Pluto and if so how would I find them?
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Post by SmashWhammy on Apr 24, 2024 14:39:03 GMT -5
i think the key phrase is "filling in for"
the info in the wiki is more or less talking when he started being the full-time announcer (as opposed to a substitute)
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Post by MarioGS on Apr 24, 2024 14:54:04 GMT -5
Also another question while I'm on the subject of Pluto TV. I hear they had some daytime Wheel episodes on Pluto including Pat and Vanna's first episodes. Are they still on Pluto and if so how would I find them? Yes, those are currently the only two daytime episodes on Pluto. Because Pluto mostly catalogues game shows by their production number and not their air dates, Pat's first episode is under Season 10 (#1768) and Vanna's first episode is under Season 11 (#2016). This is because both daytime and syndicated have sequential production numbers, and the syndicated equivalents of those two numbers fall during those seasons. |
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Post by daffyfan2004 on Apr 24, 2024 18:41:05 GMT -5
i think the key phrase is "filling in for" the info in the wiki is more or less talking when he started being the full-time announcer (as opposed to a substitute) Actually, I'm talking about wiki mentioning Charlie filling in for Jack in October 1985, on Pluto TV which would have been season 3. The ones where Charlie filled in for Jack were season 1 on Pluto TV which would have been 1983 or 1984. That's where I'm confused because wiki makes no mention of Charlie filling in around that time. |
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Post by wheelfan82 on Apr 25, 2024 10:59:31 GMT -5
Simple answer…as more episodes have come to light, we are finding things out we had no record of before.
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Post by daffyfan2004 on Apr 26, 2024 9:51:24 GMT -5
Thanks, Wheelfan. That's a simple answer but a good one. In fact watching the show growing up, I do sort recall a few instances where Charlie subbed for Jack other than that one instance in 1985. In fact I sort of recall that on the daytime show as well. So I figured Wiki may have been missing some information.
The only other theory I had that what was labeled Season 1 on Pluto could have included season 3 (I noticed some streaming services do that where it's not always the season the streaming service lists) because there weren't a lot of major changes between seasons of WOF in the early nighttime eps, so I was almost thinking it was season 3 I was watching but I realize that's unlikely because of the production numbers. Plus contestants are still saying "as in" when calling their letters which they stopped doing for the most part after the first season, so yeah obviously there had to have been an instance where Charlie filled in fir Jack during the first season which we didn't know about until Pluto came out of his doghouse and released these eps. 😀
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Post by WarioSajak on Apr 28, 2024 0:37:57 GMT -5
Simple answer…as more episodes have come to light, we are finding things out we had no record of before. Exactly. Especially considering that GSN seemingly* never touched Seasons 3, 4, 8, 9, or 11. Plus, Pluto's copies are by all indication direct from Sony's master copies**, so there's also a ton of visual and auditory detail that wasn't as noticeable before. *It's entirely possible they did and few noticed due to their similarities to seasons we know they did air. Seasons 1-4 (and the pre-Big Month of Cash shows of Season 5) are very similar to each other. Seasons 7-9 are also rather similar to each other, as are Seasons 10 and 11 to each other. **Pat's first daytime show is an outlier - the fact it's on Pluto at all indicates Sony has a copy in the archives, but it's not at the same level of A/V quality as the other episodes. Because Pluto mostly catalogues game shows by their production number and not their air dates, Pat's first episode is under Season 10 (#1768) Doubly notable since prior to it popping up in the Pluto package we didn't know the episode number. The fact it has said number attached indicates Sony has some way of knowing what it is. |
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Post by daffyfan2004 on May 2, 2024 13:59:47 GMT -5
Simple answer…as more episodes have come to light, we are finding things out we had no record of before. Exactly. Especially considering that GSN seemingly* never touched Seasons 3, 4, 8, 9, or 11. Plus, Pluto's copies are by all indication direct from Sony's master copies**, so there's also a ton of visual and auditory detail that wasn't as noticeable before. *It's entirely possible they did and few noticed due to their similarities to seasons we know they did air. Seasons 1-4 (and the pre-Big Month of Cash shows of Season 5) are very similar to each other. Seasons 7-9 are also rather similar to each other, as are Seasons 10 and 11 to each other. **Pat's first daytime show is an outlier - the fact it's on Pluto at all indicates Sony has a copy in the archives, but it's not at the same level of A/V quality as the other episodes. Because Pluto mostly catalogues game shows by their production number and not their air dates, Pat's first episode is under Season 10 (#1768) Doubly notable since prior to it popping up in the Pluto package we didn't know the episode number. The fact it has said number attached indicates Sony has some way of knowing what it is. Yeah, it's a shame they couldn't release more daytime eps like Chuck's earliest shows where the show ran an hour long or the episode after the one that ended in a tie in either '86 or '87 and they had to bring all three players back. (Though I'm never sure why they had to bring back the third player.) Now another question while we're on the subject of Plutio TV. I've noticed that they rarely have commercial breaks in mid-round (except maybe in the earliest syndicated eps). That was pretty common on the daytime show and i think that lasted up to the Rolf Bernishke era, so why didn't they have as many mid-round commercial breaks in the early nighttime eps? With the shopping, you'd think both shows would have run the same length of time. Just something else I've been curious about. |
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Post by SmashWhammy on May 2, 2024 21:30:24 GMT -5
it probably has to do with the ratio of show to advertising being different between daytime and nighttime
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Post by daffyfan2004 on May 3, 2024 11:51:34 GMT -5
Yeah, that makes sense since when shows are brought to syndication from network TV, they're usually edited due to commercial breaks being longer for syndicated shows. May have been a similar case with WOF.
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Post by WarioSajak on May 3, 2024 17:31:32 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a shame they couldn't release more daytime eps like Chuck's earliest shows where the show ran an hour long For the record, the show debuted as a half-hour format. The hour-long format lasted just eight weeks (one week in November 1975, the rest in December '75 and January '76), and of those ~40 shows only one is believed to exist on videotape, and that's only because a clip of it surfaced back in 2000. That aside, agreed on seeing whatever other daytime stuff is in the Sony archives (which are apparently very spotty prior to 1985). |
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Post by jhamm7 on Jun 6, 2024 2:10:57 GMT -5
I've been watching Seasons 1-4, I have found a few slight differences among the seasons:
Season 1 is the only one where the theme song does not start at the beginning.
Season 2 has the theme song now start at the beginning, but Pat still has his old hairstyle.
Season 3, Pat's hair has changed to the slightly frizzier hairstyle he still somewhat has.
Season 4 has pink and purple on the Wheel. (September 1987 episodes in Season 5 retain these changes.)
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Post by daffyfan2004 on Jun 6, 2024 9:25:24 GMT -5
Hmm. Seems like season 5 is actually the first one with any big changes with the removal of shopping I mean.
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Post by ivoryface86 on Jun 6, 2024 23:18:42 GMT -5
Hmm. Seems like season 5 is actually the first one with any big changes with the removal of shopping I mean. Well, I think #231 in Season 2 was the first big change, the sunburst backdrops saw its first changeup as it was the first episode taped after J! began taping its first episodes. Other Season 2 changes include the $175 wedge being gone in favor of the $800 and $900 wedges debuting in the Round 1 wheel in #261 or thereabouts, the debut of the animated logo and the helvetica font as a category display and end credits font in around #301 or so, it started out with black outlines at first but about 10-15 taped episodes later, the category display began to have white outlines. Remember though, episodes were largely aired in constant scrambled fashions and there weren't any on-air mentions of any of the aforementioned changes. One station would air an episode where the $800 and $900 wedges were in the Round 1 wheel one night but the very next night, they air an episode where the $175 wedge was in there. There was a November 1984 broadcast episode where one saw the original version 1.0 sunburst backdrops and one September 1984 episode featured one of the first episodes with the new version 2.0 sunburst backdrops. The $800 and $900 wedges in the Round 1 wheel debuted as early as mid-November 1984 and the helvetica font as a category display with black outlines were first-run aired as late as early March 1985. Sometimes the $800 wedge replaced the $750 wedge but the $175 wedge is still there. |
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