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Post by damion92laverne on Aug 12, 2012 4:18:09 GMT -5
Couldn't the show just lower the values on the wheel? It wouldn't hurt to have a $150, $200, or $250 wedge on the wheel.
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Post by WarioSajak on Aug 12, 2012 7:40:48 GMT -5
I know you're new here, but decreasing values -- especially given the show's newfound generosity in the front game -- is really going in the wrong direction.
Back when $1,000 was the Big Freaking Deal (1973-75), vowels cost a staggering one-fourth of that amount -- a hint with a sizable cost and big penalty if you were wrong.
Thing is, nearly 40 years after Shopper's Bazaar (at a point where vowels should be around $1,250 due to inflation), it hasn't risen from $250, which means they've been laughably easy to buy since 1999.
Upping the cost to $1,000 or so means Wheel gets to infuse the front game with cash and be rightfully stingy with vowels.
/unless they want to bring back Buy A Vowel
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Post by thiswheel13 on Aug 12, 2012 11:33:55 GMT -5
I'm glad you said it Wario. I thought about saying something similar but I didn't want to look like a jerk  I don't think it would be stingy for Wheel to up the vowel price. It would definitely add more strategy to the game. |
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Post by Guint on Aug 12, 2012 13:52:35 GMT -5
I still think it shouldn't be that huge an amount. Something like from 1985-1996 (perhaps $500, so it's higher than some, but not most of the amounts) would suffice.
But anyway, I think we're getting off-topic here. This is supposed to be about Season 30 information, not changes we want to see.
Move along, peeps.
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Post by damion92laverne on Aug 14, 2012 3:36:24 GMT -5
I know you're new here, but decreasing values -- especially given the show's newfound generosity in the front game -- is really going in the wrong direction. Back when $1,000 was the Big Freaking Deal (1973-75), vowels cost a staggering one-fourth of that amount -- a hint with a sizable cost and big penalty if you were wrong. Thing is, nearly 40 years after Shopper's Bazaar (at a point where vowels should be around $1,250 due to inflation), it hasn't risen from $250, which means they've been laughably easy to buy since 1999. Upping the cost to $1,000 or so means Wheel gets to infuse the front game with cash and be rightfully stingy with vowels. /unless they want to bring back Buy A Vowel 1. I've been here almost a year; I just don't post much. I hardly call that being "new here." 2. The show's already cheap as it is with its lack of upscale BR cars and generic choosing of prizes; it wouldn't hurt to lower some values on the wheel below $300. 3. I think the producers are too stubborn to raise the price of a vowel (even though it should be done because of the inflation of the wheel this year). 4. Too much newfound generosity in the front game is why I think the BR is held meaningless when the winner comes there already with $30,000+. |
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Post by woffan4ever on Aug 14, 2012 9:27:04 GMT -5
2. The show's already cheap as it is with its lack of upscale BR cars and generic choosing of prizes; it wouldn't hurt to lower some values on the wheel below $300. 3. I think the producers are too stubborn to raise the price of a vowel (even though it should be done because of the inflation of the wheel this year). Are you saying that some of the wheel values should be lowered but the price of a vowel should be raised? That just defeats the whole purpose and makes it much more difficult get any vowels at all if some amounts were lower than $300. I guess if that were done, the Free Play would have much more value to it than it does now. I think people sometimes forget about being able to get consonants with it. I know there are times that people spin, know the puzzle., land on FP and guess a vowel anyway instead of getting an extra $500+. /rant over /2300th post ;D |
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Post by rashad1428 on Aug 14, 2012 10:33:59 GMT -5
I feel that $250 is the right amount for the cost of vowels on the show. I personally think that if the vowels were raised it would be harder for the contestants to solve puzzles and the show would feel just like the early days of the Bob Goen version of Daytime Wheel.
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Post by Guint on Aug 14, 2012 11:30:35 GMT -5
That's if you raised it to $1,000 (and, FWIW, they dropped the vowel cost there as well).
The only reason one would be under $500 is if a person called a single letter on a value under $500. I don't see what the problem is here.
But again, this is getting off topic. Back it up, guys!
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Post by damion92laverne on Aug 14, 2012 12:47:07 GMT -5
2. The show's already cheap as it is with its lack of upscale BR cars and generic choosing of prizes; it wouldn't hurt to lower some values on the wheel below $300. 3. I think the producers are too stubborn to raise the price of a vowel (even though it should be done because of the inflation of the wheel this year). Are you saying that some of the wheel values should be lowered but the price of a vowel should be raised? That just defeats the whole purpose and makes it much more difficult get any vowels at all if some amounts were lower than $300. I guess if that were done, the Free Play would have much more value to it than it does now. I think people sometimes forget about being able to get consonants with it. I know there are times that people spin, know the puzzle., land on FP and guess a vowel anyway instead of getting an extra $500+. /rant over /2300th post ;D No, that's not what I'm saying; you're misinterpreting my words. I'm saying do one or the other (lower some wheel values below $300 or raise the price of vowels). |
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Post by Guint on Aug 14, 2012 19:27:48 GMT -5
He isn't the only one who misinterpreted your words. I did, too. Try to word your things a little more carefully next time.
Also, I'm now a little tired of having to re-rail this taping thread that I'm going to move further discussion on vowel cost into its own thread soon. Please try to keep the discussion as relevant as possible in the taping thread. Thank you.
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Post by damion92laverne on Aug 15, 2012 0:18:59 GMT -5
He isn't the only one who misinterpreted your words. I did, too. Try to word your things a little more carefully next time. Also, I'm now a little tired of having to re-rail this taping thread that I'm going to move further discussion on vowel cost into its own thread soon. Please try to keep the discussion as relevant as possible in the taping thread. Thank you. My words were very straightforward. (They were just talking points) |
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Post by WarioSajak on Aug 15, 2012 4:37:28 GMT -5
I feel that $250 is the right amount for the cost of vowels on the show. So you want players to just spin, call one letter, and buy a vowel right then? I personally think that if the vowels were raised it would be harder for the contestants to solve puzzles and the show would feel just like the early days of the Bob Goen version of Daytime Wheel. The point of buying vowels was a hint at a sizable cost. Until about 1996, there were actually spaces below $250, so you actually had to call a multiple and/or spin more than once. Also, $200 in the beginning of the Goen era returned it to requiring a multiple or more than one spin to accomplish. Once they dropped it to $100 in 1990, it became just as pointless as it is today for $250. Besides, the puzzles already suck. |
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Post by MarioGS on Aug 15, 2012 11:35:28 GMT -5
Another important thing to mention, on the nighttime 1988-1996 layouts, there were five wedges valued under $250 in R1-2 (six until a $150 was upgraded to $500 around '91), four in R3, and three in R4. With this upcoming S30 layout, there are five wedges under $500 (four in R2 until the Mystery Wedge next to the MDW is picked up), so technically, having vowels at $500 today wouldn't be much different than having it as $250 in 1991-96. Of course, to compensate for a vowel increase, they should bring back more 4-digit values besides the Mystery Wedges. Also, the R1 top dollar value of $1,000 was enough for 4 vowels. Today, $2,500 is enough for 10. $500 would make it good for 5, obviously. So I really think $500 is the way to go even moreso now with this improved layout. |
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Post by woffan4ever on Aug 16, 2012 9:28:40 GMT -5
Well, Mario, you may have just changed my mind on the whole concept. I'm who's been all for keeping vowels at $250, but your logic makes perfect sense for a hike. Now, I know this maybe going out on a limb, but one reason why I've been so much on keeping vowels at $250 is that for today, this is one of the only few pieces of classic Wheel left. Vowels have always cost $250, and that's what everyone associates vowels with. It's been engrained in our society, so to speak. I've heard people say in everyday conversation, "It's not as easy as buying a vowel for $250." Doubling the cost of vowels would be a big change, and I don't think the typical fan would like it. /meaningless post over |
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Post by thiswheel13 on Aug 17, 2012 8:46:47 GMT -5
Well not only that, there's no strategy to buying vowels now. Today's contestants buy them with no real harm to their score. I still think $500 is low balling it slightly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2012 13:05:08 GMT -5
$750?
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Post by Guint on Aug 17, 2012 14:57:20 GMT -5
Too oddball, and $1,000 is way too much at this point. $500 is fine.
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Post by WarioSajak on Aug 18, 2012 2:34:56 GMT -5
On the subject of vowels, I'm wondering who came up with Buy A Vowel and who thought it'd be great to make it a redundant piece of crap. Vowels have always cost $250 Except in daytime from 1989-91, but that doesn't count because it isn't nighttime, the only actual and legit Wheel of Fortune. I've heard people say in everyday conversation, "It's not as easy as buying a vowel for $250." Don't give the show ideas. Please. Doubling the cost of vowels would be a big change, and I don't think the typical fan would like it. If Wheel's reaction to typical viewers regarding the S28 brouhaha is any indication, they don't care either way. |
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Post by William on Aug 18, 2012 10:29:34 GMT -5
On the subject of vowels, I'm wondering who came up with Buy A Vowel and who thought it'd be great to make it a redundant piece of crap. Merv? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2012 19:01:57 GMT -5
If the show ever does hike the price of vowels, I think they'd probably start at $350 or maybe $400 or $450 at the most. However, I do see the show lowering some of the dollar amounts, possibly reintroducing amounts below $300, if the economy crashes and burns . (If things get bad enough, we might end up seeing $50-diamond and $75-diamond once again.) |
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