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Post by WarioSajak on Sept 22, 2012 2:26:10 GMT -5
Yes, an hour-long episode actually exists!  20 seconds of an opening were shown during the March 21 (reran July 5; OAD here), 2000 episode of The Roseanne Show (partially uploaded by " VHSScott SK42388 MightyFalcon2011"), on which Chuck was a guest. * Part 1* Part 2 (ends abruptly; the tape ran out  ) [EDIT 12/8/12: Fixed links. The originals had been removed, then reposted by the same person on a different account.] [EDIT 6/22/13: Fixed links again, for the same reason I had to fix them the first time.] |
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Post by WayoshiM on Sept 22, 2012 10:15:05 GMT -5
I think the first link is derped.
Regardless... how did they do this? Was it a celeb special?
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Post by germanname1990 on Sept 22, 2012 11:49:07 GMT -5
If we could get some better quality, we could figure out some of the values of some of those dark wedges, but there are some things to note. The orange $175 between the red $300 and yellow $600 temporarily became $200 in late 1975 for this occasion before becoming permanent in 1978. Also, apparently the wedge right of the light blue $650 was still a tan $200 at the time. It would indeed be doubled to a yellow $400 by June 1976. BTW, here's the correct clip, WarioSajak, but please don't sweat it; it happens. I mix things up myself from time to time.  www.youtube.com/watch?v=H00ZD-QxZa0#t=13m8s |
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Post by William on Sept 22, 2012 13:24:30 GMT -5
Well, this is obviously the November 3, 1975 show.
-Buy a Vowel was GONE by then ;D, so that's one of my theories confirmed!
-The $175 is definitely $200, and the tan $200 next to $650 is still there. Good eyes Bill.
-There is an orange space where the second Lose a Turn used to be, but I can't tell what it is.
-The white lines around the special spaces were gone by then.
-I swear the dark orange space where the second Bankrupt goes is Free Spin! Which would make sense if this was the round 1 wheel. Bankrupt probably replaced it for round 2.
-Since this is from the Gigantic Games Gala week and not the permanent expansion, maybe the wheels were different this week than what they became. Maybe the configuration was $1000-$1500-$2000 this week.
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Post by MarioGS on Sept 22, 2012 13:39:52 GMT -5
The wedge replacing the second LAT is $500, and that looks like Free Spin to me, too...
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Post by WarioSajak on Sept 22, 2012 13:54:28 GMT -5
Some bits of obviousness here, but this is what I had noticed: * The original opening (or at least the ending of it) stuck around after the original curtain replaced the doors. * The chroma-key shots aren't used until Chuck's introduced, at which point he enters the same way he did from '76 onward although the original shot is still present. * I thought there were white outlines around Bankrupt, but you guys (who clearly have better eyesight than me  ) say they weren't, so I'm inclined to agree. Mind you, the fact these changes are in place on November 3 doesn't necessarily mean they were permanent when the show reverted to the half-hour format the following Monday -- when The Price Is Right "reverted" two months earlier, they dropped the light border until November 3. BTW, here's the correct clip, WarioSajak, but please don't sweat it; it happens. I mix things up myself from time to time. Thanks. I've fixed the link. |
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Post by djcchs2004 on Sept 22, 2012 14:03:04 GMT -5
Wow. Who knew Roseanna, hosting her talk show that didn't last long, might show a 1975 episode we been looking for. If we lucky enough to get two full pilot episodes, why not this one.
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Post by William on Sept 22, 2012 14:16:04 GMT -5
* I thought there were white outlines around Bankrupt, but you guys (who clearly have better eyesight than me ) say they weren't, so I'm inclined to agree. That part I'm not 100% sure about; more like 95% sure. It's more apparent if you look at the Lose a Turn and Free Spin. Mind you, the fact these changes are in place on November 3 doesn't necessarily mean they were permanent when the show reverted to the half-hour format the following Monday -- when The Price Is Right "reverted" two months earlier, they dropped the light border until November 3. It's obvious that this wheel configuration probably only lasted for this week, but are you saying that Buy a Vowel might have come back? |
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Post by WarioSajak on Sept 22, 2012 14:21:52 GMT -5
Wow. Who knew Roseanna, hosting her talk show that didn't last long, might show a 1975 episode we been looking for. If we lucky enough to get two full pilot episodes, why not this one. According to Wikipedia (sprinkle appropriately), the show ran for two seasons and ended on June 23, but repeats went through November 24. Google says this episode originally aired March 21, 2000. I couldn't seem to find any mention of this in a search through ATGS -- you'd think they'd have jumped all over this given that Woolery-era Wheel was an extreme rarity at this point. I wish they'd have gone through to Susan's introduction just to confirm that as well, but hey... This discovery weirded me out a bit, though, as this was among the episodes that Danny Voisine claimed to have ("the infamous first hour show"). It's obvious that this wheel configuration probably only lasted for this week, but are you saying that Buy a Vowel might have come back? Not necessarily; what I'm saying is that the changes we know to have become permanent may have only been changed for that week. Which sounds pretty redundant, actually, but... Also, the flippers are there? Wow. I honestly couldn't see that. /I've got a lot of Wiki pages to edit |
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Post by William on Sept 22, 2012 14:26:45 GMT -5
/I've got a lot of Wiki pages to edit Already saved you some trouble ;D. That is weird. Also listed is an Armed Forces Week episode (the audio of) which has also been unearthed. Maybe he wasn't lying about everything he wrote... |
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Post by germanname1990 on Sept 22, 2012 14:37:58 GMT -5
For those who are questioning if one of those brown wedges was really Free Spin, instead of a zero (or five) at the bottom, I was also able to make out an N. So there's no doubt in my mind it's Free Spin.
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Post by WarioSajak on Sept 22, 2012 15:40:58 GMT -5
That is weird. Also listed is an Armed Forces Week episode (the audio of) which has also been unearthed. Maybe he wasn't lying about everything he wrote... Also listed are "the premiere show, studio master" and "Susan Stafford's last week, Thursday and Friday". The list is dated October 1, 2003, over a year before the E! True Hollywood Story showed clips of the premiere and Susan's finale in what looked to be master (or very crisp original-broadcast) quality. The Game Show Forum had problems with Voisine making things up and crafting excuses for inconsistencies (I know at least some of the 1975-80 Cross-Wits listings are wrong)...but even if he didn't have them, time has proven that at least some of the Wheel episodes do exist in some form. |
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Post by woffan4ever on Sept 23, 2012 13:03:20 GMT -5
So, exactly how much of 70s Wheel was actually erased? How are people able to get a hold of these episodes if they were, in fact, erased? Was any of the 80s daytime Wheel (pre-Pat) erased?
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Post by tenpoundhammer on Sept 23, 2012 15:14:12 GMT -5
^ They probably had VCR or Betamax back in the day.
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Post by William on Sept 25, 2012 18:22:41 GMT -5
So, exactly how much of 70s Wheel was actually erased? How are people able to get a hold of these episodes if they were, in fact, erased? I have heard multiple times from people that have worked for NBC or knew someone that did, that the claims of episodes that don't exist are not true. A lot of tapes believed to be erased do indeed exist, including most, if not all, of the NBC Let's Make a Deal and Wheel of Fortune. NBC is said to have stopped erasing in 1981. Some shows fully survived before that. Card Sharks, Blockbusters, Password Plus... why would Wheel only survive after 1985? |
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Post by Guint on Sept 25, 2012 18:38:42 GMT -5
It's been said that Merv had his own tape-wiping policy that he didn't stop until 1985. NBC stopped in 1978 for most of its shows, and the three game shows you mentioned are all Goodson-Todman shows, so doesn't apply to Merv's practices.
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Post by WarioSajak on Sept 25, 2012 19:04:53 GMT -5
NBC stopped in 1978 for most of its shows, I think they stopped in 1980. Peter Marshall said at one point that all but "the last couple of years" of The Hollywood Squares were gone, but then how does one explain the near-complete absence of Mindreaders (a Goodson-Todman series)? and the three game shows you mentioned are all Goodson-Todman shows, so doesn't apply to Merv's practices. I'm pretty sure Goodson-Todman stopped it in the mid-1960s (although they managed to stop CBS from destroying What's My Line? in 1952), and CBS apparently stopped the practice in 1972...although that doesn't explain the near-complete absence of Gambit, Give-N-Take, and Musical Chairs. So I have no idea why Merv kept going long after NBC (and pretty much everybody else in the television industry) stopped. |
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Post by William on Sept 25, 2012 19:34:15 GMT -5
...although that doesn't explain the near-complete absence of Gambit and Give-N-Take. absence is likely not unrelated to the fact that it went into syndicated reruns in some markets after the show was cancelled. The CBS $10,000 Pyramid is also missing even though it should still exist. The first two seasons of the CBS Joker's Wild were missing for many years until they were found in storage at WCBS (along with all of the episodes of Spin-Off which replaced TJW); Pyramid, Gambit, and the CBS Tic-Tac-Dough are all probably in storage somewhere too. |
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20 seconds of an opening were shown during the March 21 (reran July 5; OAD here), 2000 episode of The Roseanne Show (partially uploaded by "
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) say they weren't, so I'm inclined to agree.
