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Post by WarioSajak on May 27, 2013 15:52:44 GMT -5
You could make the argument that PYL at least required a little bit of skill that didn't dictate the entire game--just ask Michael Larson. Except Press had put forth the notion that the Big Board's light moved randomly, even though they knew it was actually 5-6 patterns. It only became a game of skill after Larson appeared, and then only briefly -- they added/changed the patterns a few times over the next several months before eventually settling on a set of 32. In fact, Whammy! had a computer (I think) that legitimately had the light move randomly.
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Post by WooWho on May 27, 2013 16:16:36 GMT -5
But you see, you're missing my point. Regardless of whether or not the light is indeed random, you could, theoretically, be watching the board very closely in live play and smack the button right as you saw the light hit a square you wanted. Such is the point I am trying to make--for most of the game, your success on PYL is determined by how well you answer the questions, and how well-timed you are when you play the board. Yes, I'll acknowledge that most players will just randomly slap the button and hope for the best, hence why the show is called Press Your LUCK. But if your reflexes are good, and assuming you're NOT Michael Larson, you could clean up.
On WOF, however, you live and die by the Wheel (and how others live and die by it). Once that Wheel leaves your hand, you don't have any control over where it stops--and there are plenty of spaces on that wheel that could prevent you from playing or give a huge advantage to your opponent.
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Post by WarioSajak on May 27, 2013 16:43:19 GMT -5
Fair enough.
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Post by therealcu2010 on May 27, 2013 17:51:17 GMT -5
Sure, tape the same-set shows all together... then run them in sequence... I don't see what's so hard about that Logistics. There are certain themed weeks which make no sense aired in sequence, such as holiday-themed weeks. There's a perfectly valid reason for taping wildly out of order.
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Post by Bryce L. on May 27, 2013 17:57:06 GMT -5
Sure, tape the same-set shows all together... then run them in sequence... I don't see what's so hard about that Logistics. There are certain themed weeks which make no sense aired in sequence, such as holiday-themed weeks. There's a perfectly valid reason for taping wildly out of order. But to the ridiculous extent Wheel does? I could see Christmas shows being taped in November (or otherwise closer to their intended airdates than everything else) and running those out of order, but no real reason to play "episode soup" like Wheel does.
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Post by WarioSajak on May 27, 2013 21:07:35 GMT -5
There's also no real reason for them to do their "throw darts blindly and see where they land" approach to Summer and weekend repeats, either.
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Post by jmdarrall on May 27, 2013 21:22:24 GMT -5
Uh-oh. This is where we get into the luck vs. skill debate. I'd say that while luck plays a very crucial factor in the game, so does skill. I concur with Josh that a lot of big winners were lucky winners, but at the same time, they had to have some degree of skill (calling the right letters at the right time, being aware of the scores, etc.). Skilled players have done well, but there are just as many skilled players who have lost, too.
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Post by whammy007 on May 27, 2013 21:30:05 GMT -5
That's true. And while the Wheel isn't as controllable as something like the Press Your Luck board, you can gauge your spin pattern and get an idea if there's going to be trouble ahead - which would give you a chance to adjust accordingly. Not necessarily aim for any wedge in particular, because from what we've heard from audience members that's frowned upon, but alter the power behind it just enough to steer away from the bad zones.
There are always going to be bad players who luck into a win and good players who get unlucky and lose (or get defeated by someone luckier). But giving some of the highest scorers (and some of the lowest, if you endorse the "second chance" idea) another shot at America's Game, you give them another chance to show their skills and, by doing so, eliminate a few of the outliers (players who perform well above or below what they probably should have due to luck).
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Post by jmdarrall on May 27, 2013 21:35:34 GMT -5
Right. That's why I think it would be interesting to have players back, not as regular champions, but as returning players to see if they are truly skilled, or if they "just got lucky."
At my Wheel Watching party on my airdate, several of my friends said that they had fun watching me because they had an emotional stake in me. By not having players return, Wheel watchers don't have as much of an emotional stake in a player. That is, you don't get "behind him or her" as much as you would, say, someone who goes for several days on Jeopardy. If the show had a "Champion's Challenge," it could be hyped up and allow viewers to get behind likable players who did well and boo players who "just got lucky."
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Post by woffan4ever on May 28, 2013 8:16:55 GMT -5
Okay, for the most part, I have no problems with tournaments/returning champs, except for one thing--the Prize Puzzle. It doesn't happen all the time, but I have seen it. There have been really excellent players who do exceptionally well, but they never make enough to catch the one lucky (but not necessarily best and brightest) player who wins just because the won R3. That's where luck rather than skill plays a much bigger factor. If they were to revert to champs, axe the PP for good.
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Post by gameshowguy2000 on May 30, 2013 0:10:03 GMT -5
I personally think the Friday Finals are like a tournament format...the Finals are on Friday, of course; while the first 4 games are Semifinal games (you can't really have Quarterfinal games in a format like that), plus those who did not advance to the BR are WC spots for the high-scorers among non-winners).
And honest to God, I thought the Classic PYL board's addition of those 32 new patterns were all random. That still made for some big wins, and some big losses (most notably Cathy's $31,408..which we've seen many times, considering GSN picked up the 1984 shows first).
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Post by thiswheel13 on May 30, 2013 8:57:21 GMT -5
I think people have a lot more control over the wheel than what those are suggesting. After all, you are the one causing the rotation of it. It's not like here where you pick a number and hope for the best. A truly skilled player will not only do well with the puzzles but be aware of how hard they can spin it but also being aware of the position of the wheel in relevance to penalty wedges.
On a side note, has anybody else noticed the mass amount of female players who have these weak, pathetic half rotation spins?
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Post by jmdarrall on May 30, 2013 9:03:47 GMT -5
^ Because the Wheel weighs over one ton? Yes, but I would hardly call those spins pathetic. I even had trouble getting the Wheel going and was never to able give it a full rotation. Contestants make it look effortless because they get lots of practice spins. Even then, your adrenaline is pumping, and once the show begins, you gas out quickly. You can control the Wheel, and if you pay attention to your consistent spin patterns, you can use that to your advantage. However, once that cold steel leaves your hand, it's all physics.
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Post by jarvisabrodie24 on Jul 30, 2013 15:39:24 GMT -5
I see no reason why the Returning Champions element wouldn't work for WOF today. I mean, look at the Bonus Round for example. With a majority of it being cash and cars nowadays, you can have a contestant come back for at least three to five days and possibly win the same prize and still retire as champion with a huge amount of cash and prizes. So yeah. I can see Wheel of Fortune doing Returning Champions and Tournaments (which would only be for special occasions such as Best Friends, Teen Best Friends, College Week, Teachers Week, Celebrity Invitationals, etc.) again. Therefore, my suggestion to Wheel is to at least try it out and see how well it works. I know it's been 17 years since they R.Cs and 15 since Friday Finals. But I can still see it working today regardless.
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Post by greenday61892 on Aug 2, 2013 15:00:55 GMT -5
I would love to see a college tournament formatted the same way Jeopardy does it with the 5 prelims, 3 semis, and the 2-day final, but removing the biggest prizes (100k and 1m) until the finals and have no bonus round between the two days. Like, probably bring back the 10k in the place of the MDW (plus with the old rules of the 10k) and keep the max BR value at 50k (or maybe even 40k) just so that they don't get a case of someone getting REALLY lucky and winning the top prize multiple times. Then return the values to normal for the end of the finals.
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Post by jarvisabrodie24 on Aug 8, 2013 11:46:18 GMT -5
I would love to see a college tournament formatted the same way Jeopardy does it with the 5 prelims, 3 semis, and the 2-day final, but removing the biggest prizes (100k and 1m) until the finals and have no bonus round between the two days. Like, probably bring back the 10k in the place of the MDW (plus with the old rules of the 10k) and keep the max BR value at 50k (or maybe even 40k) just so that they don't get a case of someone getting REALLY lucky and winning the top prize multiple times. Then return the values to normal for the end of the finals. Excellent ideas, Greenday61892. On top of that, it would also help alleviate Wheel's budget to a degree.
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Post by StrangerCoug on Aug 9, 2013 19:05:04 GMT -5
Returning champions were a nice concept, and I'd like to see it done again, but there is nothing inherently wrong with having new contestants every day except that how much you can win is that much more limited in practice. I run an off-site Wheel game where the cap is three (consecutive) games or winning the million in the bonus round.
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Post by afulkerson0012 on Sept 4, 2013 4:09:06 GMT -5
I think they should bring back Friday finals. Then for the extra tapings get celebrities to play for charities of their choice. This would take care of some of the issues!
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Post by MarioGS on Sept 4, 2013 11:15:07 GMT -5
There are five sixth episode weeks per season, totaling 25 episodes. There's no way Wheel can book 75 celebrities per season (or 60 with the Friday Finals format).
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Post by afulkerson0012 on Sept 5, 2013 8:38:12 GMT -5
There are five sixth episode weeks per season, totaling 25 episodes. There's no way Wheel can book 75 celebrities per season (or 60 with the Friday Finals format). Well do like a few celebrity episodes and maybe a few special weeks like bringing back a some of the greats week. Also have a week where players did not solve a puzzle because of bad luck on the wheel come back and do a tournament of losers like super password did.
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