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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2013 8:44:27 GMT -5
I know they have done it back in the 70s and 80s, but would a Tournament of Champions and Teen Tournament work for Wheel today, just like on its sister show Jeopardy?
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Post by whammy007 on May 26, 2013 12:39:18 GMT -5
I don't know how well a Tournament of Champions would work without returning champions, but I wouldn't mind seeing Wheel bring some of the big winners and great players back and let them play a second time for their favorite charity, kind of like the "Some of the Greats" week from 1995 (a couple shows from that week are in the Retro Recap section if you want to know how that worked).
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Post by MarioGS on May 26, 2013 12:54:59 GMT -5
Absolutely have at least some kind of tournament. I liked the Friday Finals concept and I could see it working with sixth episodes as a Tournament Week. They need to have some kind of form of returning players.
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Post by Bryce L. on May 26, 2013 14:42:44 GMT -5
What's wrong with regular returning champions, like daytime and nighttime 1989-1996 used? Stay until either you lose, win 3 days, or win the $100,000/$1,000,000
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Post by whammy007 on May 26, 2013 14:50:17 GMT -5
I'm sure we'd love to see that (I know I personally would). But the way things are done now, with tapings done well out of order, it would make doing that style of champions very difficult logistically if you allowed champions to straddle between weeks.
A Friday Finals style of returning players would work more in line with the current taping structure, but then they would have to either abandon the taping of "sixth shows" (America's Game weeks) or have five weeks out of the season where you didn't have a Friday final.
Something else to keep in mind is that having returning champions cuts down the number of fresh contestants each season (by 20% for the Friday Finals format and a little less than a third for regular returning champions).
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Post by WarioSajak on May 26, 2013 17:45:55 GMT -5
I know they have done it back in the 70s and 80s, but would a Tournament of Champions and Teen Tournament work for Wheel today, just like on its sister show Jeopardy? There was really only one TOC for Wheel, and that was in 1976. Everything else has been the Friday Finals, and "Some of the Greats!" was clearly meant to be wacky post-Season 6 nighttime players (the winning totals ranged from $39,400-$91,530, and one player had lost her second game by a huge margin). Something else to keep in mind is that having returning champions cuts down the number of fresh contestants each season (by 20% for the Friday Finals format and a little less than a third for regular returning champions). That, and the show would have to tape in consecutive order.
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Post by whammy007 on May 26, 2013 18:05:17 GMT -5
Not necessarily, in the case of the Friday Finals, since every week is self-contained. But they would have to cut out the America's Game "leftover" weeks because there would be no way to have a Final for those.
But in the case of the regular champions, they would absolutely have to do that.
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Post by Bryce L. on May 26, 2013 18:33:34 GMT -5
What's so bad about airing shows in taping order? (I think most of us don't have a problem with it, just try convincing Harry Friedman to do it, that's all)
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Post by WarioSajak on May 26, 2013 19:38:35 GMT -5
The problem is that the show has a different set for most weeks, and some weeks have the same themed set, hence it's just easier for them to tape the same-set shows at the same time.
Still, you'd think Seasons 28-29 would tell them that taping out of order is a bad idea...
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Post by Bryce L. on May 26, 2013 19:51:23 GMT -5
Sure, tape the same-set shows all together... then run them in sequence... I don't see what's so hard about that
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Post by germanname1990 on May 26, 2013 22:53:53 GMT -5
I'm for it. My idea (some of you may know my idea already) would be a redemption tournament for those unlucky contestants who've walked from the show without solving any puzzles.
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Post by whammy007 on May 26, 2013 23:20:56 GMT -5
That gives me a random unrealistic idea... they could combine that with the Friday Finals concept. They could play out the first four shows of a themed week as normal. Then, the three highest winners of the week would go into the Friday Final, just as was done back in the 90's. On the other end of things, they could convert the "America's Game" taping into a second-chance show for the three unluckiest (lowest-scoring) players of the week, and air those shows in a sixth-show week like they currently do. That would actually work under the current taping structure for the most part. The only real differences would be making sure that players stick around for the full taping time in case they qualified for either program, and the aforementioned lesser number of slots for new contestants. But again, this is just my brain cooking up random and unrealistic ideas. Pay me no mind - unless you really want to, of course.
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Post by Bryce L. on May 27, 2013 0:55:44 GMT -5
Sounds pretty reasonable to me, since each week would be self-contained (barring the sixth-show tapings, but you could call them 'second-chance week' or something like that)
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Post by jmdarrall on May 27, 2013 10:37:35 GMT -5
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing something similar to "Some of the Greats." There have certainly been a large number of memorable contestants who have won a lot, and it would be interesting to see how some of those players would do against each other. Another factor to consider, though, with returning champions is that it does reduce the contestant pool. With Wheel being such a high-demand show, I don't think Wheel would want to narrow its contestant pool any further (although some players' performances as of late have left something to be desired).
On the other hand, I would like to see something like a "Second Chance Challenge" in which players who won the Pity Thousand come back for a second try.
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Post by germanname1990 on May 27, 2013 11:31:20 GMT -5
If the Second Chance Challenge were to exist, it's obvious you can't include everyone who has been shut-out for a consolation prize. If I could narrow it down, I'd include those who've won nothing while their winning opponent went on to win $100,000 in the bonus round. Apart from those, I know three other people who deserve a chance at redemption.
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Post by WarioSajak on May 27, 2013 14:53:04 GMT -5
On the other hand, I would like to see something like a "Second Chance Challenge" in which players who won the Pity Thousand come back for a second try. Why just the Pity Thousand? How about those who got the False Dignity Thousand, or won just the Trip Puzzle but turned it down (meaning they won nothing at all)?
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Post by WooWho on May 27, 2013 15:18:56 GMT -5
^Then you're getting far too technical. The home audience doesn't know, for the Prize Puzzle for instance, that they forfeited the prize. A lot of people still think I actually took the private jet flight I won on TPIR--and it's only when they ask me where I went when I have to politely explain to them that I didn't accept it.
As for the original question, I was the lone brave soul who voted no. A champion on Wheel is not determined in much of the same way as a champion on Jeopardy! is. Much of the game is dictated by how the Wheel behaves on a given day, who spins it, how hard they spin it, etc. Let's face it, take Michelle Lowenstein for example. That first spin, imagine if she had under- or overdone it by even one peg. History would have been much different.
My point is, it'd be silly to call them Champions, expect a very high level of gameplay out of them, and not be able to play to that high standard because they were screwed over by the Wheel.
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Post by MarioGS on May 27, 2013 15:31:05 GMT -5
True, but Press Your Luck had returning champions, also with a 3-day/cap limit like Wheel did.
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Post by WarioSajak on May 27, 2013 15:42:13 GMT -5
Um...Press Your Luck was five days or $25,000 (later $50,000), whichever came first.
If anything, Wheel was the oddity for having a three-day limit when most games had 1, 5, "get the top prize", some sort of winnings limit, or no limits at all. The only other game show I know of that had a three-day limit was The $1,000,000 Chance of a Lifetime, and that was part of the format because winning the bonus game three days in a row won the Million.
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Post by WooWho on May 27, 2013 15:44:15 GMT -5
You could make the argument that PYL at least required a little bit of skill that didn't dictate the entire game--just ask Michael Larson. Either that or stopping the light at *just* the right moment to stop it on the square you want (i.e., anything but a Whammy in most cases).
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