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Post by woffanallhislife on Aug 8, 2013 12:05:56 GMT -5
Do you think the '80s Wheel of Fortune themes are outdated?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 13:32:11 GMT -5
By sound, yes. By melody, no.
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Post by rory on Aug 8, 2013 14:31:50 GMT -5
I'm impatient for the Daft Punk version in 2019.  |
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Post by woffanallhislife on Aug 8, 2013 14:43:50 GMT -5
You're funny Rory
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 15:12:48 GMT -5
I'm impatient for the Daft Punk version in 2019. *Get Lucky plays in background* "We're on TV 'til it's done Pat's making some stupid puns Pity thousand's all that I've won We're on TV to get money" |
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Post by germanname1990 on Aug 8, 2013 15:43:50 GMT -5
Changing Keys theme? Outdated? Not a chance!
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Post by WarioSajak on Aug 8, 2013 18:33:11 GMT -5
Big Wheels (1980-83 is still the 1980s! ) isn't outdated, either. The thing is that Changing Keys is the Wheel of Fortune theme -- several parodies since mid-2000 opted to use it rather than the generic crap, but I'm pretty sure Changing Keys was ousted because Merv was leaving the show and Friedman didn't want to pay royalties even though Wheel made Eleventy Bajillion Damn Dollars a year back then as well. Fun fact: all the music Wheel's used since 2000 sounded outdated from the start -- I'd say they sound more like relics from clubs of the 1940s-50s, but that'd be an insult to the music played in clubs of the 1940s-50s because those at least had 1) some thought put into them and 2) heart and soul. |
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Post by StrangerCoug on Aug 9, 2013 18:58:09 GMT -5
I say we find a way to spice up the pre-1994 Changing Keys. The melody for Jeopardy! was first heard by the public in 1964; apparently the higher-ups think nothing's wrong with that.
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Post by jarvisabrodie24 on Aug 9, 2013 19:51:32 GMT -5
I would never say that the 80s themes are outdated. Granted the 1983 and 1989 versions of Changing Keys as well as the 1983 through 1994 puzzle solve cues would have to be remixed again should they be reinstated at the same time. Besides, if you play the 1983 and 1989 versions of Changing Keys, they sound as crisp and clear as HD. But to erase them all from history is like erasing a vital part of your past. So, again, my answer is no.
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Post by woffanallhislife on Aug 11, 2013 23:48:09 GMT -5
Big Wheels (1980-83 is still the 1980s! ) isn't outdated, either. The thing is that Changing Keys is the Wheel of Fortune theme -- several parodies since mid-2000 opted to use it rather than the generic crap, but I'm pretty sure Changing Keys was ousted because Merv was leaving the show and Friedman didn't want to pay royalties even though Wheel made Eleventy Bajillion Damn Dollars a year back then as well. Fun fact: all the music Wheel's used since 2000 sounded outdated from the start -- I'd say they sound more like relics from clubs of the 1940s-50s, but that'd be an insult to the music played in clubs of the 1940s-50s because those at least had 1) some thought put into them and 2) heart and soul. Is that because Wheel of Fortune fans are mostly young? |
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Post by woffanallhislife on Aug 11, 2013 23:51:31 GMT -5
Also, why was the theme changed for Wheel of Fortune but not Jeopardy?
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Post by MarioGS on Aug 12, 2013 0:15:00 GMT -5
Big Wheels (1980-83 is still the 1980s! ) isn't outdated, either. The thing is that Changing Keys is the Wheel of Fortune theme -- several parodies since mid-2000 opted to use it rather than the generic crap, but I'm pretty sure Changing Keys was ousted because Merv was leaving the show and Friedman didn't want to pay royalties even though Wheel made Eleventy Bajillion Damn Dollars a year back then as well. Fun fact: all the music Wheel's used since 2000 sounded outdated from the start -- I'd say they sound more like relics from clubs of the 1940s-50s, but that'd be an insult to the music played in clubs of the 1940s-50s because those at least had 1) some thought put into them and 2) heart and soul. Is that because Wheel of Fortune fans are mostly young? Where did that come from? The general public perception of Wheel these days (and the game show genre in general, but mostly Wheel) is that it caters to the elderly demographic. (Yet hardly anybody on this forum is over 40, so...) |
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Post by WooWho on Aug 12, 2013 0:47:02 GMT -5
Also, why was the theme changed for Wheel of Fortune but not Jeopardy? Well, think about it. If you ask someone to hum the Jeopardy! music, they'll know right away. Ask 'em to hum Wheel, they'll go something like..."Wheel has theme music?" As far as I'm aware, in my social circle, it's always been like that. |
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Post by WarioSajak on Aug 12, 2013 5:33:35 GMT -5
Also, why was the theme changed for Wheel of Fortune but not Jeopardy? I don't think they've given an official answer, and I don't think we'll ever get one. I already gave my theory, but let me approach it from a different angle: The Jeopardy! "Think!" cue has been iconic since the 1960s (it was used on the 3/5/64 test episode held by Paley Center), so removing it from Final Jeopardy would not only throw off contestants (there was one road-show episode where they replaced "Think!" with...I think it was an onstage chorus singing "Silent Night"...and one contestant looked surprised that time had expired) but also be really noticeable to viewers. Since "Think!" was also reworked to be the show's theme in 1984, they couldn't get rid of that too easily, either. Wheel, on the other hand, never had "Changing Keys" (and "Big Wheels" before it) tied down to any specific element of the format, so it could be removed from the show a lot less painfully than "Think!" could. Further, "Keys" was the only Merv cue that had been present on Wheel since about Season 15, and I guess the fact Merv was leaving gave Friedman an opportunity to remove the only set of royalties he could without suffering an immense backlash. But while Thicke -> Griffin/Lindsay continued the line of memorable/catchy cues, Griffin -> Kaplan/Blue/Hoke (etc.)...didn't. The 2002 "Happy Wheels" sampled the first few bars of the '97 "Keys", sure, but the transition was done with this weird sound I can really only describe as the song devolving into mediocrity. |
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Post by woffanallhislife on Aug 12, 2013 7:46:11 GMT -5
Where did that come from? The general public perception of Wheel these days (and the game show genre in general, but mostly Wheel) is that it caters to the elderly demographic. (Yet hardly anybody on this forum is over 40, so...) I thought the older people hated the new theme! I don't think they've given an official answer, and I don't think we'll ever get one. I already gave my theory, but let me approach it from a different angle: The Jeopardy! "Think!" cue has been iconic since the 1960s, so removing it from Final Jeopardy would not only throw off contestants (there was one road-show episode where they replaced "Think!" with...I think it was a rendition of "Silent Night"...and one contestant looked surprised that time had expired) but also be really noticeable to viewers. Since "Think!" was also reworked to be the show's theme in 1984, they couldn't get rid of that too easily, either. Wheel, on the other hand, never had "Changing Keys" (and "Big Wheels" before it) tied down to any specific element of the format, so it could be removed from the show a lot less painfully than "Think!" could. Further, "Keys" was the only Merv cue that had been present on Wheel since about Season 15, and I guess the fact Merv was leaving gave Friedman an opportunity to remove the only set of royalties he could without suffering an immense backlash. But while Thicke -> Griffin/Lindsay continued the line of memorable/catchy cues, Griffin -> Kaplan/Blue/Hoke (etc.)...didn't. The 2002 "Happy Wheels" sampled the first few bars of the '97 "Keys", sure, but the transition was done with this weird sound I can really only describe as the song devolving into mediocrity. Good for him then. Consecutive posts merged and nested quotes removed. |
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Post by WooWho on Aug 12, 2013 13:38:59 GMT -5
I'm willing to wager that the average "Wheel" viewer doesn't care about the theme. They play a bunch of different things in the opening anyway, and most people switch the channel by the time the credits roll, so to the average viewer, I would think it's a lot harder to pick out what the actual theme is--if they even pay that close attention.
That being said--hey, I actually like the 2002 arrangements. Don't dis them.
(Fun fact--I did a music improv thing a long time ago to The Meters' "Cissy Strut," which oddly enough is in the same key as the 2002 theme. I slipped the first few notes of said theme into my improvisation.)
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Post by WarioSajak on Aug 12, 2013 15:47:56 GMT -5
I'm willing to wager that the average "Wheel" viewer doesn't care about the theme. They play a bunch of different things in the opening anyway, and most people switch the channel by the time the credits roll, so to the average viewer, I would think it's a lot harder to pick out what the actual theme is--if they even pay that close attention. There's two reasons for that, I think: * They play two cues during the opening -- one to reveal the logo, the other to introduce Pat and Vanna. * There's too many cues that get played in succession, most of which aren't even necessary (a great example being the Bonus Round segment, where 5-6 cues get played one after the other and only the 10-second timer is actually needed). It's like Wheel's afraid of the deafening sound of silence, even though it's easily a better method of drama/suspense/etc. That being said--hey, I actually like the 2002 arrangements. Don't dis them. I made a post here a while back listing the various themes the show's used over the years, during which I called the 2002 close "Lip Service To '97". I stand by that, but to each his or her own. I have absolutely no idea who you're referring to with this comment -- Thicke? Merv? Lindsay? Friedman? Kaplan? Blue? Hoke? ...Is anybody else starting to think this guy's a troll? That'd be a no. Sorry, everybody.  |
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Post by thiswheel13 on Aug 12, 2013 23:35:04 GMT -5
I don't think it's completely outdated. It just needs that new millennium update  |
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Post by therealcu2010 on Aug 13, 2013 1:22:27 GMT -5
...Is anybody else starting to think this guy's a troll? Only you. He has admitted to having had problems at other forums, and is actively trying to correct his ways to remain in good standing here. Posts like this don't help. Seriously, Dan, you're an awesome contributor, but you really need to learn to think before you type. |
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Post by WarioSajak on Aug 13, 2013 1:59:22 GMT -5
He has admitted to having had problems at other forums, and is actively trying to correct his ways to remain in good standing here. Posts like this don't help. I know that. That's the first time I've had foot-in-mouth disease (not to mention falling into the dreaded sitcom plot trap of jumping to conclusions) in a long while, and I apologize for it. |
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