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Post by ultimaganon on Dec 31, 2013 9:01:45 GMT -5
Today, I submitted an order request to the Archival Television Audio Inc. for the July 15, 1975 episode of Wheel of Fortune. I plan on buying the audio tape for this episode (assuming all goes well), hopefully it will help out our efforts in understanding the earliest years of the show considering there are no full episodes available from the earliest years of the show. |
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Post by Bryce L. on Dec 31, 2013 11:11:30 GMT -5
THANK YOU!
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Post by WarioSajak on Jan 1, 2014 13:13:18 GMT -5
You are an awesome, awesome person.  For the record, I've checked on two separate occasions (second instance, from July 2012, here) and both times the price was $75 for an "attended" copy (imperfections and the like from the original tape are repaired) on audio cassette, with an optional 25% discount if you prefer an "unattended" dub to VHS Hi-Fi tape. Same goes for the August 29, 1975 episode. No idea whether things have changed since then. In any case, once you get your copy and dub it to a digital format, I'd love to get a copy of the file.  |
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Post by ultimaganon on Jan 1, 2014 17:05:00 GMT -5
You are an awesome, awesome person. For the record, I've checked on two separate occasions (second instance, from July 2012, here) and both times the price was $75 for an "attended" copy (imperfections and the like from the original tape are repaired) on audio cassette, with an optional 25% discount if you prefer an "unattended" dub to VHS Hi-Fi tape. Same goes for the August 29, 1975 episode. No idea whether things have changed since then. In any case, once you get your copy and dub it to a digital format, I'd love to get a copy of the file. Yeah, we can set up something for sure. While I am not sure if I'll upload the content in it's entirety, I'll certainly do a recap of it so the wiki can have more information and trade it with other game show traders. Also, thanks for reading my recaps Daniel. |
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Post by WarioSajak on Jan 1, 2014 19:38:54 GMT -5
Yeah, we can set up something for sure. While I am not sure if I'll upload the content in it's entirety, I'll certainly do a recap of it so the wiki can have more information and trade it with other game show traders. Just to be clear, I was only asking for a copy of the audio file once everything goes through, and then only for research purposes -- while a recap would be a great thing to do, it really doesn't match listening to the episode itself. As for "setting something up", I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. I haven't traded for a long time, and I really don't have the resources to do that (hence why I stopped trading) or pay for a copy myself. Also, thanks for reading my recaps Daniel. I never really mentioned your recaps, but I have read them, yes. And sure thing. |
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Post by ultimaganon on Jan 1, 2014 19:43:55 GMT -5
Yeah, we can set up something for sure. While I am not sure if I'll upload the content in it's entirety, I'll certainly do a recap of it so the wiki can have more information and trade it with other game show traders. Just to be clear, I was only asking for a copy of the audio file once everything goes through for research purposes -- while a recap would be great, it really doesn't match hearing the episode itself. I haven't traded for a long time, and I really don't have the resources to do that (hence why I stopped trading) or pay for a copy myself. Also, thanks for reading my recaps Daniel. I never really mentioned your recaps, but I have. And sure thing. I knew you did, because you always edited the season 12 wiki of the episode I covered directly after I posted it to here. But I will give you a copy. And any other "officials" of the forums or long time wiki editors that want it. |
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Post by WarioSajak on Jan 1, 2014 19:52:52 GMT -5
I knew you did, because you always edited the season 12 wiki of the episode I covered directly after I posted it to here. Season 12 is my favorite, so I tend to pay quite a bit of attention to it. But I will give you a copy. And any other "officials" of the forums or long time wiki editors that want it. That's really, really awesome, and I really appreciate that. General announcement (and I hope it'll stick; it definitely will on my end): no Wiki edits regarding the 7/15/75 show until after UltimaGanon does a recap of it. Since you've been so nice to do this, you should be the one to break new ground (so to speak). |
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Post by Bryce L. on Jan 1, 2014 20:58:30 GMT -5
Hopefully this will answer some burning questions about the Buy A Vowel wedge. May also shed some light on the 2-digit values (or possible lack thereof). What else would there be to pay particular attention to?
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Post by ultimaganon on Jan 1, 2014 21:15:16 GMT -5
Hopefully this will answer some burning questions about the Buy A Vowel wedge. May also shed some light on the 2-digit values (or possible lack thereof). What else would there be to pay particular attention to? Any references or sounds that would indicate whether the doors or curtains were in use? How the host/hostess are introduced and introduce contestants? |
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Post by Bryce L. on Jan 1, 2014 21:23:35 GMT -5
Hopefully this will answer some burning questions about the Buy A Vowel wedge. May also shed some light on the 2-digit values (or possible lack thereof). What else would there be to pay particular attention to? Any references or sounds that would indicate whether the doors or curtains were in use? How the host/hostess are introduced and introduce contestants? Oh, just thought of another... top dollar amounts for each round. I'd bet they were still $500/$750/$1,000 by this time, I doubt that $500/$1,000/$1,500 came any sooner than the beginning of the regular hour-long format (December 1, 1975). |
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Post by WarioSajak on Jan 2, 2014 6:41:00 GMT -5
Some others that come to mind:
* The opening spiel. It'll likely either be similar to the one used in the 1974 pilots, or the one used for the first half of 1976.
* The categories; if there's any plural ones, punctuation (or lack thereof), or categories beyond the initial eight (Event, Fictional Character, Landmark, Person, Phrase, Place, Thing, and Title), we'd be in business.
* To link to Bryce's comment about Buy A Vowel, assuming it's still there on 7/15, whether players can still buy vowels anytime (as was the case on the premiere) or have to land on the wedge (as was the case in the Milton Bradley games).
* Chuck referencing the Used Letter Board, as apparently very early on there was no such board.
* Any comments about gift certificates after Rounds 1-2, as originally any leftover money was put "on account".
* The presence, or lack thereof, of the "no vowels for first 30 seconds of Speed-Up" rule.
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Post by Bryce L. on Jan 2, 2014 12:35:46 GMT -5
* To link to Bryce's comment about Buy A Vowel, assuming it's still there on 7/15, whether players can still buy vowels anytime (as was the case on the premiere) or have to land on the wedge (as was the case in the Milton Bradley games). Also, what happens if they land on it with less than $250, or with all the vowels already exposed. |
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Post by ultimaganon on Jan 2, 2014 13:31:06 GMT -5
* To link to Bryce's comment about Buy A Vowel, assuming it's still there on 7/15, whether players can still buy vowels anytime (as was the case on the premiere) or have to land on the wedge (as was the case in the Milton Bradley games). Also, what happens if they land on it with less than $250, or with all the vowels already exposed. That's only assuming that particular situation will arise. It might... (But it seems unlikely to me). |
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Post by ultimaganon on Jan 7, 2014 22:35:44 GMT -5
I hate to double post, but this was the response to my inquiry and was emailed to me yesterday and I thought I'd share it with you.
Overall, it sounds pretty good, I'll try to get it as quickly as possible, and I plan to inquire further, so the ball is rolling now.
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Post by WarioSajak on Jan 9, 2014 18:06:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure about this -- would an ~27-minute program on audio cassette require both sides? Because it does say a voice will tell you to turn the tape over if both sides are needed to copy the program, and if we're going to be transferring this to MP3 format somewhere down the road I'd prefer one continuous recording.
Still, it's your call.
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Post by therealcu2010 on Jan 9, 2014 18:23:03 GMT -5
I doubt it'd need both sides. Also, ultimaganon, it's your tape, so you're free to do with it as you wish- but considering that you're paying good money for it, I'd strongly advise against sending digital copies out to anyone. ATA has gone out of their way to make these resources available...and by redistributing it, you're essentially saying "screw you" to them. Sharing the general information from the tape is one thing, redistributing the tape itself is another- and we don't advocate breaking the law here. Either way, it's your tape, so I cannot stop you- just want you all to keep this in mind. If anyone else wants a copy of the tape, they're more than welcome to spend the money and get it themselves. |
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Post by WarioSajak on Jan 9, 2014 18:45:46 GMT -5
I doubt it'd need both sides. Just wanted to make sure, since I'm pretty certain there's different "sizes" of audio cassettes. I know there's definitely some pretty "small" VHS tapes, as I've seen a couple of T-30s in my lifetime. As for the rest of your post, CU, I get your point but at the same time don't think there's anything on the Archival Television Audio site that says "Don't make digital copies to distribute among friends/colleagues who know better than to post them onto the internet." (and in my case, I'm only interested in research and historical significance). That aside, UltimaGanon transferring the audio to a digital format (for the sake of comparison, MP3) is, from how I see it, essentially preserving his investment -- the file won't wear down like the cassette/VHS tape will, and a digital copy means he's not automatically out $75-$80 if something happens to the cassette thanks to an unruly VCR or tape player. Like I said before, though, it's his call. I hope this post makes sense to you guys. |
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Post by ultimaganon on Jan 12, 2014 7:03:56 GMT -5
I doubt it'd need both sides. Also, ultimaganon, it's your tape, so you're free to do with it as you wish- but considering that you're paying good money for it, I'd strongly advise against sending digital copies out to anyone. ATA has gone out of their way to make these resources available...and by redistributing it, you're essentially saying "screw you" to them. Sharing the general information from the tape is one thing, redistributing the tape itself is another- and we don't advocate breaking the law here. Either way, it's your tape, so I cannot stop you- just want you all to keep this in mind. If anyone else wants a copy of the tape, they're more than welcome to spend the money and get it themselves. I already said that I only want to give it to long-time established wiki editors. I mean Daniel has poured a lot of work into the wiki, I'm sure it's okay if I can give him a digital version, right? |
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Post by therealcu2010 on Jan 12, 2014 8:07:51 GMT -5
Under U.S. copyright law, it's not okay to give anyone a copy. You don't own it. Just saying. What you do with it is ultimately up to you...but I'd advise against publicly stating that you're breaking the law. We cannot be liable for your actions. |
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Post by ultimaganon on Jan 12, 2014 9:10:40 GMT -5
Under U.S. copyright law, it's not okay to give anyone a copy. You don't own it. Just saying. What you do with it is ultimately up to you...but I'd advise against publicly stating that you're breaking the law. We cannot be liable for your actions. I thought that the copyright law was only if you want to sell the copies to other people? I simply want to conduct research, that's all. Isn't that protected under fair use? Here is a snippet from Wikipedia: That covers the legality of reproduction of copies for research I think, unless I am not reading the law correctly. |
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