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Post by therealcu2010 on Jan 12, 2014 9:45:43 GMT -5
You're reading it wrong. It is absolutely okay for you to make an audio copy for yourself as a backup. That is protected under the law. It is not okay to redistribute it, whether for profit or not.  BTW, I wasn't trying to open a debate on what you should or should not do; I was just letting you know that redistributing copyrighted material is illegal and carries severe consequences...thus, you probably shouldn't be going around on a public forum such as this one and admitting that you're doing it. Likewise, people shouldn't be asking you, on the same public forum, to break the law. Also, we kinda have strict rules against promoting piracy...so think before you post anything potentially incriminating, that's all. |
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Post by ultimaganon on Jan 12, 2014 11:34:00 GMT -5
Well then, sorry Daniel, I guess you won't be getting a copy after all. Sorry for getting your hopes up. (So does this mean that people who upload Wheel videos to the internet are also infringing on copyright?)
EDIT: What about game show traders?
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Post by ultimaganon on Jan 12, 2014 13:03:18 GMT -5
You're reading it wrong. It is absolutely okay for you to make an audio copy for yourself as a backup. That is protected under the law. It is not okay to redistribute it, whether for profit or not. BTW, I wasn't trying to open a debate on what you should or should not do; I was just letting you know that redistributing copyrighted material is illegal and carries severe consequences...thus, you probably shouldn't be going around on a public forum such as this one and admitting that you're doing it. Likewise, people shouldn't be asking you, on the same public forum, to break the law. Also, we kinda have strict rules against promoting piracy...so think before you post anything potentially incriminating, that's all. Also, I have not committed any crimes. I don't even have the tape. It is not my intention to break any laws on the books, I want people who are reading this to know that. No copies will be redistributed to anyone. |
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Post by WarioSajak on Jan 12, 2014 17:32:23 GMT -5
redistributing copyrighted material is illegal and carries severe consequences...thus, you probably shouldn't be going around on a public forum such as this one and admitting that you're doing it. Likewise, people shouldn't be asking you, on the same public forum, to break the law. For the record, I wasn't aware that what I was asking was illegal. (Also for the record, I feel like this is starting to go into "Don't Copy That Floppy" territory, an anti-piracy idea which backfired due to an apparent lack of noticing "Hey, this media will probably fall by the wayside as time goes on and likely won't be supported anymore after a number of years." Without what was then called piracy or "cracking", a lot of software would be lost to time; I know the Internet Archive recently added a computer/video games section.) It is not okay to redistribute it, whether for profit or not. sorry Daniel, I guess you won't be getting a copy after all. Sorry for getting your hopes up. ... I see. (So does this mean that people who upload Wheel videos to the internet are also infringing on copyright?) EDIT: What about game show traders? I'm not sure about either. I know after the Sony takedowns a few years ago, they seemingly decided "Ah, screw it, let them be put online." Wheel was definitely aware of the 1973 pilot (at the time, just the opening segment) being online in mid-2012, and they seem to have no problems otherwise. To use another example, I know the BBC has no problem with Doctor Who reconstructions being passed around (Loose Cannon, etc.) so long as it's on degradable media such as VHS tapes -- I myself have a few of those. In many cases, the copies posted online and/or traded around are generally of a lower quality than what the company has in its own archives -- and besides, it's free publicity. Getting the videos taken down makes you look like a bad guy to some, especially if it's a property you're not currently doing anything with and don't plan to do anything with. As such, I don't think Wheel or Sony would have anything to say against digital copies of (in this case) a 38+-year-old original-broadcast audio recording that's stored on (I think) and transferred to degradable media...although as has been stated, the law likely would. |
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Post by MarioGS on Jan 12, 2014 17:54:19 GMT -5
I know after the Sony takedowns a few years ago, they seemingly decided "Ah, screw it, let them be put online." Except a certain current-show uploader got blacklisted a second time by Sony after he tried continue doing so on another video-sharing site. |
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Post by ultimaganon on Jan 12, 2014 18:00:01 GMT -5
I know after the Sony takedowns a few years ago, they seemingly decided "Ah, screw it, let them be put online." Except a certain current-show uploader got blacklisted a second time by Sony after he tried continue doing so on another video-sharing site. You're referring to Kingskip, right? |
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Post by WarioSajak on Jan 12, 2014 18:02:33 GMT -5
The current stuff is one thing, as is most of anything from last season or so, since those are still airing (whether in the Summer, on the weekends, or in Singapore). I was mainly referring to stuff from about the mid-1990s and earlier, which aren't available in any other manner except "Hey, you wanna trade?"...and not everybody can go that route (goodness knows I couldn't do that anymore after a while).
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Post by MarioGS on Jan 12, 2014 18:07:19 GMT -5
Except a certain current-show uploader got blacklisted a second time by Sony after he tried continue doing so on another video-sharing site. You're referring to Kingskip, right? No. While he was a victim of the big YouTube purge in 2011, he still uploads on another site to this day, which is almost entirely old episodes. I'm referring to someone who used to upload new WOF and J! episodes within a day after airing. Another person currently does this through two separate YouTube channels. Time will tell how long they'll last... |
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Post by WarioSajak on Jan 12, 2014 19:04:21 GMT -5
You're referring to Kingskip, right? No. While he was a victim of the big YouTube purge in 2011, he still uploads on another site to this day, which is almost entirely old episodes. Along with that, he's the one whose collection really got me started with the Video Archives back in February 2012 -- TPH suggested that I make an index for Kingskip's holdings (at that point, 380 episodes) and stuff on YouTube/elsewhere in my userspace, and it eventually became the three-headed monster you see today thanks to Guint, John (gameshowguy2000), Mario, and the occasional add-ins of others. Today, there's very likely over 1,000 full or near-complete episodes in the three different archives (Daytime, Nighttime, and International), and I'm probably undershooting that by at least a couple hundred. And that's not even including the episodes only represented by a few clips. As for the whole issue of legality, I'm not sure if the Video Archives run afoul of anything. I know all the pages state "We're only linking to these things for the purpose of research and as a public record." since I added nearly all of those disclaimers myself, but do those actually mean anything? Hm. |
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Post by ultimaganon on Jan 12, 2014 19:36:58 GMT -5
No. While he was a victim of the big YouTube purge in 2011, he still uploads on another site to this day, which is almost entirely old episodes. Along with that, he's the one whose collection really got me started with the Video Archives back in February 2012 -- TPH suggested that I make an index for Kingskip's holdings (at that point, 380 episodes) and stuff on YouTube/elsewhere in my userspace, and it eventually became the three-headed monster you see today thanks to Guint, John (gameshowguy2000), Mario, and the occasional add-ins of others. Today, there's very likely over 1,000 full or near-complete episodes in the three different archives (Daytime, Nighttime, and International), and I'm probably undershooting that by at least a couple hundred. And that's not even including the episodes only represented by a few clips. As for the whole issue of legality, I'm not sure if the Video Archives run afoul of anything. I know all the pages state "We're only linking to these things for the purpose of research and as a public record." since I added nearly all of those disclaimers myself, but do those actually mean anything? Hm. A whole can of legal worms has been opened here. Is anything anyone has done at anytime legal in relation to the re-distribution, linking and uploading of video/audio for Wheel content? |
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Post by therealcu2010 on Jan 12, 2014 19:42:48 GMT -5
EDIT: What about game show traders? Technically illegal, though in practice, impossible to enforce, since we're dealing with tapes and not digital copies. As for the whole issue of legality, I'm not sure if the Video Archives run afoul of anything. I know all the pages state "We're only linking to these things for the purpose of research and as a public record." since I added nearly all of those disclaimers myself, but do those actually mean anything? Hm. You're merely linking to it. You're not actually hosting it. You're fine. (Likewise, the linked videos on this site fall under the same rationale.) |
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Post by WarioSajak on Jan 12, 2014 20:30:07 GMT -5
UltimaGanon, I hope you realize you'll be getting a lot of questions from me once you get your copy of 7/15/75 because hey, research.  EDIT: What about game show traders? Technically illegal, though in practice, impossible to enforce, since we're dealing with tapes and not digital copies. Although some are DVDs, mostly to make sure the recordings don't fall down another generation. Transferring tapes to DVDs is pretty common, and most traders who do so usually "liquidate" the tapes by having those interested pay the cost of shipping a certain number of said tapes. You're merely linking to it. You're not actually hosting it. You're fine. (Likewise, the linked videos on this site fall under the same rationale.) I thought so, but given all this discussion I wanted to make sure. |
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Post by therealcu2010 on Jan 12, 2014 20:43:28 GMT -5
Although some are DVDs, mostly to make sure the recordings don't fall down another generation. Transferring tapes to DVDs is pretty common Same concept. Though that brings up a funny story from a recent project of mine...I've been undertaking the painstaking task of converting a whole bunch of old home movies to DVD format for preservation, along with to distribute to other family members who may no longer have copies. I was capturing one tape, and suddenly, my capture device's software gave me a "Copyrighted material detected. You cannot record this." message. So I tried again. Got the same thing. ...umm, capture device, it's my material! I own the copyright! And I've given myself permission to record this! (okay, now that we're so far off topic, let's get back on topic. ) |
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Post by WarioSajak on Jan 12, 2014 21:11:14 GMT -5
When the device software claimed to detect copyrighted material, was there anything visible or audible that it could've considered copyrighted material? Alternately, if that particular tape/home movie had been recorded over something else, the software may have been detecting a trace of what was originally there. Of course, I've never used capture software, so there. (okay, now that we're so far off topic, let's get back on topic. ) Gotcha, chief...although really, what else is there to say? The only on-topic thing I can think of is that both 1975 episodes have the original commercials, which are always nice to have and would probably help figure out the airdates if they weren't already known (although it's vaguely possible that ATA's dates are wrong). Otherwise, at this point all we can do is play the waiting game. |
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