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Post by WooWho on May 18, 2014 11:42:32 GMT -5
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Post by germanname1990 on May 18, 2014 12:12:33 GMT -5
The risk outweighs the reward greatly. Neither my mother nor I like the Mystery Round, and that's one of the many reasons why I felt the Express should've replaced the Mystery Wedges over the Jackpot round. When a player chooses to flip over the Mystery Wedge, it's not just the money, prizes, wedges, and tokens you're risking; it's your turn. Control of the Wheel is undoubted the most powerful thing to have when it comes to gameplay. As a result, that gives you a strong edge over your competition. I read somewhere (possibly the Wiki) that an Aussie player kept winning so many games because his opponents did not understand the power of the turn while he did.
Unlike the Mystery Round, my mother strongly recommends hopping aboard the Express because unlike going for what's underneath the Mystery Wedge, you're no better off spinning again than you are hopping on the Express. In fact, she says spinning again carries a greater risk than hopping on. Sure you guess a wrong letter on the Express, you go Bankrupt, but will the turn come back to you anyway? Maybe, maybe not, but the Mystery carries perhaps the biggest unnecessary risk of losing your turn over anything else.
So, just like my suggestion is to choose consonants on Free Play (especially ones you're not sure about), another suggestion of mine is to leave the Mystery Wedges alone.
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Post by gamedude2330 on May 18, 2014 14:52:57 GMT -5
I'll throw in my 2 cents here...
If it were me personally, for the most part, I would leave the wedge alone. I agree with germanname when it comes to the importance of having control of the Wheel. And if you think about it, you have a lesser chance of losing your turn by spinning than you would through the Mystery.
BUT, if I had already banked a considerable amount (at least $9,000 or so) and I didn't have much to lose if I go Bankrupt, then I'd go ahead and flip the wedge over. Here, worst case scenario would be getting the Bankrupt, but the other players would have to spin some big numbers to catch up. Of course, if I were to find the 10 grand, then that would give me an even bigger lead (assuming I don't lose my turn the rest of the round).
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Post by dantastic312 on May 18, 2014 15:29:50 GMT -5
The expected value of flipping isn't very high.. especially if you have over $4,000 like I did. Of course, there are other factors like knowing what the puzzle is, how much your opponents have that round, and how much you're leading or trailing by. A lot of people don't realize, also, that any money for calling a letter on that spin is forfeited when you flip, no matter what the outcome is. I think that is a major role-player, as well. One note about Express, too. The weird thing about Express is that I don't see any risk in hopping aboard. The risk is much greater, and the reward is much lower if you choose to keep spinning.
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Post by thiswheel13 on May 18, 2014 19:09:40 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of going for the Mystery Wedge myself for much of the same reasons already listed. Even in the video games I'd rather keep my turn than risk w/e cash I have and again that's knowing how much control one has over the flow of the game. If I somehow had a considerable lead after just one round then yeah it might be worth a shot but more often than not I'd rather take another spin. The only advantage I see to flipping it is you knock out the chance of someone else doing it. Like Dan just said though, you might as well just wait for the Express wedge if you have the chance because you can rack up almost as much if not more, on top of the damn Prize Puzzle. But all this is something that the average contestant doesn't think about.
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Post by germanname1990 on May 18, 2014 19:39:58 GMT -5
It's funny you brought up the home versions, ThisWheel13, because on the versions released by THQ (except the Wii U version, of course), there's a award for winning the $10,000 Mystery Prize. If you want that award, here's my suggestion. Play solo, and if you don't have much to lose, go ahead. After you win the award, I recommend you stop going for what's under there. If you're on the actual show, however, I strongly recommend you do NOT go for it regardless of what you have. The reason why is that it's not like the home games in that fact that this is real money you're risking as well as missing out on. Furthermore, you have to remember, there will no longer be any Free Spins to bail you out of this. I can relate this to episodes of Life After People, only the people are Free Spin tokens and the collasping buildings are made of coins and dollar bills. So, if you're on the actual Wheel, don't go for the Mystery. The fear of the unknown should keep you from doing it.
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Post by thiswheel13 on May 18, 2014 19:46:14 GMT -5
Well I've gotten the Mystery award playing on Xbox before so it's not a concern haha. If I was on the actual show I would never go for it, trust. I know better, I don't care if it could give me a big lead.
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Post by WooWho on May 18, 2014 19:56:50 GMT -5
If you're on the actual show, however, I strongly recommend you do NOT go for it regardless of what you have. The reason why is that it's not like the home games in that fact that this is real money you're risking as well as missing out on. Arguably, you're playing with the house's money, so there IS an argument for flipping it for that reason. It's not like you're in a casino and you're paying out of pocket to see what's on the other side of the wedge. Now, if you're playing against, say, bmothersele and you're down $10,500 after Round 1? That's when I'd go for it. Sure, there's Express and the Prize Puzzle, but if you're not the one who hits it, you're not going to reap the benefits.
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Post by thiswheel13 on May 18, 2014 20:19:09 GMT -5
Yeah, Josh you have a point there. I think what ultimately determines when you should flip is completely circumstantial. I think what's important for future players is to have an ideal mindset about what they would do if they land on one of them. If there's anything I can say with 100% certainty to future players is that they can, will, and have placed the bankrupt mystery wedge next to the LAT. Don't be so naïve as to think that they wouldn't do something like that.
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Post by WooWho on May 18, 2014 23:12:33 GMT -5
Considering that's where one of them usually goes anyway... (I'm kidding, I'm just being obnoxious.)
I understand that everyone's style of play is different, and that different people will think something is risky while other people think the same risk is not as dangerous as it looks.
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Post by StrangerCoug on May 18, 2014 23:12:59 GMT -5
Yeah, Josh you have a point there. I think what ultimately determines when you should flip is completely circumstantial. I think what's important for future players is to have an ideal mindset about what they would do if they land on one of them. If there's anything I can say with 100% certainty to future players is that they can, will, and have placed the bankrupt mystery wedge next to the LAT. Don't be so naïve as to think that they wouldn't do something like that. I would think the odds of that are 50:50 if they're deciding which is which on a fair basis, no?
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Post by lousan92 on May 19, 2014 9:23:51 GMT -5
I would flip a Mystery Wedge if two things happen: if I don't have a considerable amount of money at the moment (for me $3,000 is already a good amount) and if the puzzle has not much letters revealed. The more letters are revealed in the puzzle, the least probabilities you have to get the turn back if you flip the Bankrupt. In my own, I think it's better to solve a puzzle for $2,000 than risk them and lose the turn foolishly.
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Post by thiswheel13 on May 19, 2014 9:58:57 GMT -5
Tne only reason I brought that up Coug is because I've heard it several times. I mean you see it all the time on their FB page from a lot of people. I've also heard it during the shows I've hosted at school. Like I said, I think it's pretty naïve for people to think that just because the bankrupt mystery wedge would sit near two penalty wedges that it couldn't happen.
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Post by MarioGS on May 19, 2014 17:44:11 GMT -5
This is one WOF question that I can never give a straight answer to. Just about every standing in the game depends on my decision to flip or not...
If I know the puzzle, I'll definitely go for it if I'm already in the lead by a lot and there are hardly any consonants left, because if I Bankrupt, the next player can't earn much. They might even solve for nothing or spingle.
I would only put the MDW or Wild Card at risk if I was behind and could really use the big total boost. If I'm in the lead, I don't want to hurt my chances of taking my cardboard to the Bonus Round.
If I'm not in the lead and I have accumulated enough money to overtake the leader, I'll play it safe.
If I'm behind by a lot of money thanks to someone having a big R1 (like maybe a Prize Wedge win, a multiple on $2500, or a 1/2 Car win), then I'm definitely going for it. No doubt about that. Anything to increase my lead significantly. I can't rely only on the $3500 wedge.
If I'm already ahead and by a decent amount, I probably will go for it, because regardless of what happens, you also take away the chance of another player flipping a wedge, so no matter what happens to you, nobody can get the $10K after that.
If I end up with $5,000+ counting the $1000 per letter, I'll probably play it safe since there would be a lot of money to pass up by flipping. Even though you're not really putting the "bribe money" at risk like Pat puts it, he mentions it for a reason (and from what I remember from the NYC tapings, they DO add the bribe money to the offscreen scoreboard on gambles, just not the on-camera one, which is probably why Pat goes with that amount in his spiel).
Something important to consider is that the $10,000 doesn't even mean anything unless you solve the puzzle, but the "safe money" you get right away. How many times have we seen somebody get the $10K on their first spin, then being forced to spin again and hit a penalty wedge or call a wrong consonant? It seems to happen about half the time someone has the $10K and less than $250 in actual cash. If I hit the Mystery on my first spin, I will only flip it if I am confident in my next consonant choice, like if I call N or D on Same Name or start with a T in an obvious THE. If I only have, say, a T in the dead center of the board with no clues for any other letters, then I'll take the $X,000 to buy an E or what have you. (This is why I think WOF should make the $10K spendable like in most international versions)
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Post by dreamoffields on May 20, 2014 10:11:28 GMT -5
I liked reading everyone's take on the to flip or not to flip. I've changed my opinion on the wedge and my episode was a classic case study...
1. During contestant briefing, you are highly encouraged to go ahead and take the chance to flip the wedge
2. Before the show, I had thought I would flip it if I had less than $3000 in my bank for the round and not flip if I had more. (Notice here the thought about where I was in the overall game never popped into my head.)
3. During my episode, I had a huge lead after round 1 due to a 1/2 car win (+ $19K). The player who started round 2 had several thousand in his bank, plus had the featured trip on the wheel so his round total was around $10,000. He landed on the wedge and without any hesitation reached for it. I remember thinking he was nuts to do it with so much in his bank and almost instantly realizing what it would mean for my lead if it was the $10K. [ It was the Bankrupt - but the next player ended the round with $ 17K so my lead ended up at risk anyway]
4. For a long time I saw this from the point of the player losing the trip and the cash for the chance at $10,000 and thought he made a horrible move. I have read many opinions since then, including that of the third player from my episode who was the WOF site blogger of the week. I realize from a game theory perspective and a personal cost value - the choice to flip in this situation was correct. He was going for the lead and the chance to get to the bonus round - not just the $10K bonus. Also, the player who flipped the wedge was a flight attendant and the trip probably wasn't as much of a special prize to him.
If I were in that position, I don't know what I would have done. My main thing about being on Wheel was to win the prize puzzle (to go on a paid vacation somewhere wonderful.)
In conclusion, I think it's best not to flip unless you are way behind or way ahead. As stated earlier in this thread - control of the wheel is Everything! You never know when one more letter (vowel) is going to solve the puzzle for you. It does you no good to figure out the puzzle if it isn't your turn.
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Post by mechamind on May 20, 2014 10:57:26 GMT -5
If you flip, it may backfire. If you don't, there are two other risks: - You still want more money but end up spinning Bankrupt or Lose A Turn.
- You could lose to an opponent who solves for the Express/Prize Puzzle and wins an $1,800 Speed-Up. You really can't tell what's going to happen.
Control is important, but building a big lead may also be important (though it may also depend on confidence in calling a "multiple" on $3,500). Of course, if you're taking it one step further and trying for a clean sweep, don't bother flipping, as there would presumably be no way an opponent could catch up anyway.
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Post by germanname1990 on May 20, 2014 11:22:22 GMT -5
Well, WooWho had a point about going for what is underneath, but let's say you have yet to score and simply want to leave the show with at least one puzzle solve under your belt. If I were to make it to the show, my first goal is not to win a Million Dollars or even win the game. I want to solve at least one puzzle. If end up winning just $1000 rather than being given $1000, I'd still feel happy that I got to solve a puzzle.
Nonetheless, if you guys want to go for what's under there, go ahead. It's your call, but I'm just trying to give some advice.
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Post by mechamind on May 20, 2014 13:03:38 GMT -5
At this point, as soon as I'd be concerned about getting at least one puzzle, the Mystery Round would already be over.
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Post by ten96lt on May 20, 2014 17:47:02 GMT -5
Before taping I did the literal finance calculation in that if I had less than $5k at risk including the letters I would go for it. I was secretly hoping to hit it immediately and get 5 letters and tell Pat, "I've always wanted to say this Pat, I'd like to make it a true daily double."
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