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Post by UniquePerspective on Feb 7, 2015 21:19:29 GMT -5
A random thought I've had is whether the bonus rounds on the American version of Wheel (in this current version), be more balanced? I don't mean in terms of 100k, I think just one spot on there is right, but could you sacrifice some $32k spots for some $35ks or some $40ks? Because 32k is such a high frequency, I personally wouldn't mind seeing a little more even distribution (Especially in 35k, with the miniscule difference between that and 32k). Am I alone in this?
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Post by Bryce L. on Feb 7, 2015 21:25:26 GMT -5
Hell, I'd be happy if the bonus round frequencies were actually public knowledge. That alone would be a big step forward for us guys here...
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Post by WarioSajak on Feb 7, 2015 21:28:35 GMT -5
Hell, I'd be happy if they replaced some of the cash values with prizes.
(Also, the bonus round distribution is written right into the rules: there's one $100,000/Million, and the rest is at Harry's discretion, so there's really no longer a "set" frequency for most of the envelopes.)
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Post by Prizes on Feb 7, 2015 21:34:23 GMT -5
For the record: There are two 35K envelopes, and that much is known. From where I heard it, that amount itself is not discretionary.
Edit: Ergo, Dan, the above isn't entirely accurate. A 1/23 distribution isn't going to happen, nor is it the case, and Wheel doesn't operate in such a fashion.
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Post by Bryce L. on Feb 7, 2015 21:35:17 GMT -5
Hell, I'd be happy if they replaced some of the cash values with prizes. (Also, the bonus round distribution is written right into the rules: there's one $100,000/Million, and the rest is at Harry's discretion, so there's really no longer a "set" frequency for most of the envelopes.) So if he really wanted to be stingy he could theoretically have one $100,000/Million and 23 $32,000 envelopes if he felt like it? That's way too broad of a power, I think. |
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Post by lousan92 on Feb 8, 2015 12:48:34 GMT -5
For the record: There are two 35K envelopes, and that much is known. From where I heard it, that amount itself is not discretionary. We have not seen any $35K this season and even the top prize has appeared three times... Can we trust in your source? |
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Post by StrangerCoug on Feb 8, 2015 12:50:15 GMT -5
(Also, the bonus round distribution is written right into the rules: there's one $100,000/Million, and the rest is at Harry's discretion, so there's really no longer a "set" frequency for most of the envelopes.) So he could change the distribution mid-season as often as he wanted? |
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Post by WooWho on Feb 8, 2015 14:39:58 GMT -5
Hell, I'd be happy if they replaced some of the cash values with prizes. (Also, the bonus round distribution is written right into the rules: there's one $100,000/Million, and the rest is at Harry's discretion, so there's really no longer a "set" frequency for most of the envelopes.) So if he really wanted to be stingy he could theoretically have one $100,000/Million and 23 $32,000 envelopes if he felt like it? That's way too broad of a power, I think. I'm of the opinion that there has to be at least one of each value somewhere in the wheel--it's no secret that there's other stuff aside from $32K/CAR/$100K ($1M), so I think it'd be a little misleading to say "You could win $40K/$45K/$50K!" and not have it anywhere. |
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Post by Guint on Feb 8, 2015 15:23:21 GMT -5
For the record: There are two 35K envelopes, and that much is known. From where I heard it, that amount itself is not discretionary. Edit: Ergo, Dan, the above isn't entirely accurate. A 1/23 distribution isn't going to happen, nor is it the case, and Wheel doesn't operate in such a fashion. Yeah, I don't think that's true, Jess. We haven't seen it, and the information may be outdated. |
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Post by atrocalypse on Feb 8, 2015 17:57:06 GMT -5
Maybe if they were to implement a new bonus wheel with twice the prize envelopes as the regular, we could see the $35k envelopes again.
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Post by StrangerCoug on Feb 8, 2015 20:02:11 GMT -5
And make the million harder to win than it already is?
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Post by WooWho on Feb 8, 2015 21:27:14 GMT -5
Maybe if they were to implement a new bonus wheel with twice the prize envelopes as the regular, we could see the $35k envelopes again. I think we're going to have to settle for the notion that we're not seeing the $35K again until Season 35, after which it'll be gone for good. You *do* realize having twice the prize envelopes is only going to make certain envelopes more elusive...right? |
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Post by eddie on Feb 9, 2015 13:22:31 GMT -5
Maybe if they were to implement a new bonus wheel with twice the prize envelopes as the regular, we could see the $35k envelopes again. I think we're going to have to settle for the notion that we're not seeing the $35K again until Season 35, after which it'll be gone for good. You *do* realize having twice the prize envelopes is only going to make certain envelopes more elusive...right? And if the show continues its upward trend as you suggested, then it would go Bankrupt...pun intended! (cue that annoying slide whistle) |
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Post by MarioGS on Feb 9, 2015 14:42:01 GMT -5
For the record: There are two 35K envelopes, and that much is known. From where I heard it, that amount itself is not discretionary. Yeah, I doubt this is true anymore. $35K is probably retired. Our source either lied or they were talking about a former distribution (maybe it was planned to still be part of the distribution until shortly before or into taping for the season). I also wonder if they did change the distribution partway through the season, as it seemed like starting around the Secret Santa weeks, we've been seeing the 32K slightly less. I will look into this. |
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Post by Guint on Feb 9, 2015 16:14:02 GMT -5
Nah, I think it's just law of averages catching up.
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Post by WooWho on Feb 9, 2015 16:37:29 GMT -5
I think we're going to have to settle for the notion that we're not seeing the $35K again until Season 35, after which it'll be gone for good. You *do* realize having twice the prize envelopes is only going to make certain envelopes more elusive...right? And if the show continues its upward trend as you suggested, then it would go Bankrupt...pun intended! (cue that annoying slide whistle) I fail to see how a $1,000 increase in their minimum prize in the Bonus Round--which isn't even won a lot of times--would cause the show to go bankrupt. |
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Post by Prizes on Feb 9, 2015 20:05:45 GMT -5
And if the show continues its upward trend as you suggested, then it would go Bankrupt...pun intended! (cue that annoying slide whistle) Not close. The 30K was hit 99 times last season, at a 50.77% rate, and won 39 of those times, for a 39.39% win rate (or 20% of all shows). Given the $2,000 difference, and assuming the 39 wins of a bonus round minimum are typical, that means this gimmick is only costing the show $2,000*39 (wins), or $78,000. However, since this will be changing seasonally, it's only going to be a $1,000 hike, so only $39,000 projected additional costs will be added per season. Even if this 39 is an outlier, on the low range of matters, likely the difference is no more than around five additional wins in this department, so it's maybe $45,000 additional, worst case scenario. This is basically the equal to having a standard contestant, and having them win the bonus round. Surely they can afford this, right? Of course they can. Read onward only if you want some legal and financial reasons why, otherwise, you'll be bored to hell. Furthermore, with Wheel's production budget this season, at $54,000,000, by my estimates, and the projected $39,000? It's only 1/1385th of their budget, or 0.0722% percent of this season's budget. Absolutely immaterial. The SEC agrees with my position, under SEC Concepts Statement No. 2, 123-124; AU § 312.10, especially the following wording: "[M]ateriality judgments are made in light of surrounding circumstances and necessarily involve both quantitative and qualitative considerations." MacDonald, Wall St. J., 11/3/1998 also mentions, though not FASB supported, anything less than a 3-10% difference is immaterial. Furthermore, stockholders of the parent, ADR, won't care, nor do they have a right to, under stare decisis of TSC Industries, Inc. v. Northway, Inc. which held that "A misstated or omitted fact in a proxy solicitation is material if there is a substantial likelihood that a reasonable shareholder would consider it important in deciding how to vote." This is none of these things, because it's THAT ridiculously immaterial (small) to the product of the provider, Wheel of Fortune, let alone their parent corporation, Sony. |
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Post by WarioSajak on Feb 10, 2015 0:37:55 GMT -5
First off, I want to apologize if my info was wrong. I was going by a revision of the rules from about a year or so ago. And to Jess' point: no, the "Bonus Round minimum is the season number times 1,000" thing isn't gonna hurt the show. It's a misguided idea and gimmicky as hell, sure, but it's not budget-busting...I hope. (It sometimes feels like the budget is spent on everything else except the prizes, all things considered.) (Also, the bonus round distribution is written right into the rules: there's one $100,000/Million, and the rest is at Harry's discretion, so there's really no longer a "set" frequency for most of the envelopes.) So he could change the distribution mid-season as often as he wanted? From what I gather, yeah, although based on the above posts I'm pretty sure there still needs to be one of each -- in that case, the worst-case scenario would be 18 or 19 of $32K (depending on whether $35K is still around) with one of everything else. I definitely remember the rules say the envelopes may or may not be moved around between shows. |
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Post by atrocalypse on Feb 10, 2015 0:42:07 GMT -5
And make the million harder to win than it already is? I thought the million was hard enough To win already. A little too hard if you know what I mean.  |
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Post by WarioSajak on Feb 10, 2015 0:49:11 GMT -5
Really, though...isn't being hard to win kind of the point of the $1,000,000 prize? You make it too easy (like, say, "solve the puzzle after picking up the Million-Dollar Wedge and win the Million!"), and you're busting the budget so hard it's not even funny. That said, I do know a way to make it harder: in addition to all the current rules, the contestant must * Upon picking up the wedge, immediately solve the puzzle, AND * Must solve every round afterward, AND * Do the above while never calling a wrong letter, hitting a penalty wedge, missolving, or getting buzzed-out. The only exceptions are Free Play (per the rules) and the Bonus Round letter picks. You're welcome, Harry.  (Note to those from Sony/ Wheel/whatev who might be looking at this: These are not good ideas. If you want a good idea, how about not spoiling like hell when someone wins the Million? I don't remember who coined the term right off the top of my head, but " Wheel or No Wheel" doesn't feel too far off.) |
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