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Post by WooWho on Jan 6, 2016 15:45:34 GMT -5
This installment of the Evaluation series is the first to feature a retired game element. This one was on the show for the better part of 16 years, and wore many faces over its years on the wheel. Not to be confused with another wedge of the same name that appeared some ten or so years earlier; hey, Charlie, put down that Viagra espresso! It's time for the... HOW IT WORKED:
- The Jackpot wedge appeared in one round of the game. The Jackpot started at $5,000, and increased by the value of each cash wedge hit during the round.
- To claim the Jackpot, a player needed to land on the Jackpot wedge, call a correct letter, and then IMMEDIATELY solve the puzzle.
WHAT WE KNOW:
- Initially, the Jackpot wedge awarded no cash when a player called a correct letter on it. In later years, it awarded $500 per letter (and the Jackpot also went up by that much when hit).
- When the Friday Finals were still being held, the Jackpot started at $10,000 on Fridays.
- IMMEDIATELY means IMMEDIATELY - no buying vowels in between.
- When first introduced, the Jackpot Round was always Round 3 (with a top dollar value of $3500)--towards the end of its life, it was moved to Round 1 (with a top dollar value of $2500).
- Jackpot was retired in 2013, and replaced by Express.
WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW:
- The Spanish version makes their very last maingame round the Jackpot Round (instead of a Speed-Up). Good idea for the American version, or not?
- Why do you think the Jackpot was retired?
- Let's say you sat in that meeting where they decided to retire the Jackpot. Make the argument for keeping it around.
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Post by GameShow75 on Jan 6, 2016 16:38:42 GMT -5
I like the idea of the JACKPOT Round as the last main game round. I think the wedge was retired because somebody could end up winning like $20,000 or more if they landed on it and solved it right away with a lot of money in it. My argument would be that in order to keep the wedge is to make it more difficult to win. In other words, if the player does not solve the puzzle right away, then the JACKPOT would be out of play.
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Post by lousan92 on Jan 6, 2016 17:31:21 GMT -5
Well, let's go: The Spanish version makes their very last maingame round the Jackpot Round (instead of a Speed-Up). Good idea for the American version, or not?
Well, it hasn't been in this way always. In the very first days, the Panel con Bote was played in Round 3, and the last round was a normal round, but without Speed-Up. Even there were some shows that had two Paneles con Bote, Round 3 and the last one! Later the last round was a Panel con Premio (an sponsored Prize Puzzle worth between €1,000 and €2,000), and at some point of 2007 the Panel con Bote was moved to the last round if there wasn't any sponsored puzzles. Apart from this Panel con Premio, they have made more kinds of sponsored puzzles that I can explain you if you want, in this topic or in the one made for La Ruleta. What I mean: since they award more cash in the last round they have made the show more exciting, because usually until the last round you don't know who will go to the BR, except in some cases that a player lands on the €1,000 space in previous rounds and wins €5,000 or more (just like yesterday, when a player won €9,000 in a round): they retire this wedge in the last round. In "Wheel", it doesn't happen: the big cash round is Round 3 with Express and, specially, the Prize Puzzle. After that, yes, there are more rounds, but puzzles are shorter and, usually, they don't play more than two rounds, the latter being in part a Speed-Up round in which players often can't win enough to become winners if Pat doesn't hit the $5,000 space. What I would do is retire the Speed-Up and playing in last place an special round, maybe in this order: TU1/TU2/R1/R2 (Mystery)/R3 (Express)/TU3/R4 (PP). Now the Jackpot is retired, so they wouldn't play a Jackpot Round anymore. Why do you think the Jackpot was retired?I think that the Jackpot was simply retired because it was "old", as they did with the Free Spin replacing it with the Free Play wedge. Probably in some years they will do the same with the Mystery Wedges, which have now... 13 years? However, I think that its current counterpart, the Express, is more exciting than the Jackpot. In Spain, the show lets players explicitly to control their strength to hit the Bote, so the final spins of the Wheel are more exciting: and as many of you have told, in "Wheel" you can't do it, or at least they can't notice that you are doing so. Let's say you sat in that meeting where they decided to retire the Jackpot. Make the argument for keeping it around.My argument would be that the Jackpot has been one of the signature wedges of "Wheel", such as the prize of the vowels or the retired Oreo $10,000 wedge. Probably they have talked about increasing the prize of the vowels when they increased the minimum to $500, but they haven't done it because of that. PS: I've just noticed that I didn't evaluate the Mystery Wedges... Tomorrow I'll give my opinion, if you don't care about bumping up that thread
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Post by genius2751 on Jan 6, 2016 20:26:32 GMT -5
I'd say make it another Big Money wedge, but it will still start at $5,000. Once one player calls a correct letter on it and adds it to their total, the wedge will then be worth $1,000. If said player solves the puzzle whether or not they're on the wedge...fireworks.
I think they retired the Jackpot as part of their plan to reduce the budget after a big season 30 (which also included all those $30,000 envelopes).
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Post by eybyon on Jan 6, 2016 23:58:42 GMT -5
I miss Jackpot. There were so many great things about it: 1. It favored good puzzle solvers. 2. It required luck to hit it at an opportune time (enough of puzzle revealed, large enough bank). 3. It was exciting to watch the bank grow with each successive spin. 4. Pat's joke to introduce the round. It almost always cracked me up. Yeah, I can concede that Express is better overall, but why not rotate Jackpot in for variety's sake? As for replacing the SU with it, I just can't see that happening. The SU, while rarely giving trailing players a chance to come back from behind, has blessed us and the show with too many viral moments over the years for us to even count. It is here to stay. I conclude my random musings on this subject with my own experience with the Jackpot round: youtu.be/8U_O6KjzgQEThanks to this discussion, I have come to realize something: if only I had hit Jackpot instead of LAT on that fateful spin, things would've been SO different. Interestingly, after I had lost my turn, the next player DID hit it after revealing more of the board. The audience went WILD, and then gasped when she admitted she couldn't solve it and had to spin again. I heard the gasp (and subsequent murmuring from the audience), but it wasn't audible in what aired.
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Post by WooWho on Jan 7, 2016 0:10:17 GMT -5
Tomorrow I'll give my opinion, if you don't care about bumping up that thread We're a little more lax about that rule in this section simply because these are supposed to be ongoing discussions about game elements past and present, so as long as it's relevant to the discussion, bump away! And genius2751, I don't necessarily buy the argument that it was scrapped to help cut costs. Wouldn't you argue that a certain number of Express rounds would have a higher average win than a certain number of Jackpot rounds? (And that's not even factoring in the fact that Express and the Prize Puzzle are lumped together.) Also...anybody know what the biggest Jackpot win ever was? Or if it got higher than the highest win and wasn't won? I'm curious.
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Post by WarioSajak on Jan 7, 2016 14:53:05 GMT -5
Also...anybody know what the biggest Jackpot win ever was? Or if it got higher than the highest win and wasn't won? I'm curious. The biggest known Jackpot win was $16,000, back in October 2006. As for the latter, the highest one I know about was $23,250 on September 1997. And genius2751, I don't necessarily buy the argument that it was scrapped to help cut costs. Wouldn't you argue that a certain number of Express rounds would have a higher average win than a certain number of Jackpot rounds? (And that's not even factoring in the fact that Express and the Prize Puzzle are lumped together.) I think the thing is that over the Jackpot's last two seasons, it was won a total of 25 times (13 in S29, 12 in S30) for quite a bit of money. Below are all the wins of those two seasons, going numerically from lowest to highest winnings: * S29: $6,000-$6,450-$7,000-$7,100-$7,300-$7,500-$7,750-$7,850-$9,100-$10,800-$11,050-$11,700-$13,150. * S30: $7,300-$7,350-$7,550-$7,600-$7,750-$8,650-$9,000-$9,550-$9,950-$10,200-$10,350-$11,450. As for why Jackpot was retired...I'm not sure, but it could well be budget since they were doing some money cutbacks in Season 31. If I were at the meeting where they discussed the Jackpot, I'd probably support it by arguing against the top prize being as high as it is.
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Post by germanname1990 on Jan 7, 2016 15:07:27 GMT -5
From day one, I loved the Jackpot. In fact, I remember wanting every episode to have a Jackpot win at the time it premiered. I would be very happy whenever it was won. That's why I remember the first time that happened. It was very saddening for me to know that it was going to be retired, but I'm comforted to know it lives on, at least for now, in IGT's slot machines. Since its retirement was unannounced, I want to know why it was retired (I'm hoping they have a good reason) and if the show will bring it back some day, although I know the latter of what I said is highly unlikely.
The Jackpot remains one of my most favorite elements the show has ever used. There's no question that I'll miss it.
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Post by spinthewheel123 on Jan 7, 2016 15:54:58 GMT -5
I love the Jackpot. It was one of my favorite elements. Wheel Of Fortune never said why they retired it. Someone on the Wheeloffortune history wikia said that the Express could have been introduced in Season 31, but without retiring the Jackpot. I want the Jackpot back for Season 34.
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Post by WooWho on Jan 7, 2016 18:47:09 GMT -5
Also...anybody know what the biggest Jackpot win ever was? Or if it got higher than the highest win and wasn't won? I'm curious. The biggest known Jackpot win was $16,000, back in October 2006. As for the latter, the highest one I know about was $23,250 on September 1997. And genius2751, I don't necessarily buy the argument that it was scrapped to help cut costs. Wouldn't you argue that a certain number of Express rounds would have a higher average win than a certain number of Jackpot rounds? (And that's not even factoring in the fact that Express and the Prize Puzzle are lumped together.) I think the thing is that over the Jackpot's last two seasons, it was won a total of 25 times (13 in S29, 12 in S30) for quite a bit of money. Below are all the wins of those two seasons, going numerically from lowest to highest winnings: * S29: $6,000-$6,450-$7,000-$7,100-$7,300-$7,500-$7,750-$7,850-$9,100-$10,800-$11,050-$11,700-$13,150. * S30: $7,300-$7,350-$7,550-$7,600-$7,750-$8,650-$9,000-$9,550-$9,950-$10,200-$10,350-$11,450. As for why Jackpot was retired...I'm not sure, but it could well be budget since they were doing some money cutbacks in Season 31. If I were at the meeting where they discussed the Jackpot, I'd probably support it by arguing against the top prize being as high as it is. Somehow I knew you'd come through with that data. Thanks. I think one thing that's easy to forget about the Jackpot round is that it was sponsored; which, as I found out while reporting for "Marketplace," means the sponsor itself pays out the amount of the Jackpot if it's won--otherwise, they get a free commercial. So whether that had any effect on any money Sony themselves paid out of pocket, I don't know, but I'm leaning towards "no." I also don't think there's ever been a situation as described in that story, where more than three Jackpots were won in a single week (thereby making Wheel pick up the difference). Basically, my point is: I don't think retiring the Jackpot is making any difference in the show's budget whatsoever.
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Post by WarioSajak on Jan 7, 2016 22:39:38 GMT -5
I also don't think there's ever been a situation as described in that story, where more than three Jackpots were won in a single week (thereby making Wheel pick up the difference). Actually, there was at least one week (December 9-13, 1996) where it was won four times, including the Friday Finals, although that was several months before the Jackpot got sponsored. The only 3+-win week I can find after sponsors were added was the week of March 17, 2003, which had three wins. Basically, my point is: I don't think retiring the Jackpot is making any difference in the show's budget whatsoever. Maybe Eggland's Best was raising a gripe? I think they were the only Jackpot sponsor during its last two seasons, if not longer.
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Post by gameshowguy2000 on Mar 11, 2016 1:17:45 GMT -5
My take on the Jackpot...after the Friday Finals format was retired in 1998, they should've put the starting amount at $10,000 to begin with. One word: Inflation.
That's the reason why we have the $100K/$1M bonus wheel round now, and also why sister show Jeopardy! doubled the cash on its game board at the same time the bonus wheel debuted.
As for budget cutbacks for the reason of retiring the Jackpot, I think it's bull crap. Sony has a big budget as it is..maybe even a bottomless one, if I can call it that, if it continues to give away big money on its two longest-running game shows. And not only that, budget cutbacks would mean cheap prizes...and we know that they won't do that (and no, $10K Wedge and $10K Mystery Wedge are not considered "cheap", IMO).
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Post by tlc38tlc38 on Oct 12, 2016 16:26:38 GMT -5
This is probably my 2nd most missed gameplay element (1st being the Free Spin). Horrible idea getting rid of it.
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Post by tlc38tlc38 on Oct 20, 2016 18:19:41 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing the Jackpot element come back into gameplay in the future but I would change a few rules... The wedge would look like this... ( courtesy of MarioGS ) It would go over the blue $600 in round 1. The jackpot starts at $5,000, like it used to. It also increases with each spin's value, like it used to. If you land on it, you must call a correct letter to pick it up. If you solve the puzzle before hitting a bankrupt, you then can claim the jackpot. Basically, it would work like a prize wedge but the value keeps increasing with every spin, even after it's been picked up the value would still continue to climb.
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Post by gameshowfandanny on Mar 8, 2020 11:13:46 GMT -5
"The Spanish version makes their very last maingame round the Jackpot Round (instead of a Speed-Up). Good idea for the American version, or not?" I think it is because there are no special gimmicks in R4+. I would keep the Speed-Up. but if Pat spun the Jackpot Wedge, he would spin again and it would be treated as an invalid Final Spin. The reason is because I think it's nice to give Pat a chance to spin the Wheel once per episode. "Why do you think the Jackpot was retired?" I think it was because of all the wins in Season 29, but they wanted to keep it for Season 30 because it was a milestone season. "Let's say you sat in that meeting where they decided to retire the Jackpot. Make the argument for keeping it around." I wouldn't get rid of the Jackpot. The reason is because it can result in having over $10,000 at the end of R1. As @rockyboy34 said in the October 5, 2018 recap thread, if they hadn't retired the Jackpot, then Tim from that episode would've broken the record for highest Jackpot won at $18,500. MarioGS noted in the recap thread for Julian Batts' episode that if they hadn't retired the Jackpot, Julian would've blown a $12,300 Jackpot.
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