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Post by konstava on Jan 21, 2016 13:07:20 GMT -5
Basically, producers have the final word in deciding on who goes on the show. In my opinion it's absolutely unjust. Some of the most qualified/smartest people never get a chance to shine & take advantage of their knowledge because they either don't look good, don't sound good or don't fit some other frame.
All the smart people deserve a chance to be engaged in a real money contest & make the best of their knowledge.
Speak out if you share my opinion.
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Post by SmashWhammy on Jan 21, 2016 14:15:29 GMT -5
all the shows i know of nowadays go for that Central Casting, not just wheel
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Post by therealcu2010 on Jan 21, 2016 14:46:44 GMT -5
...what?
The show's contestant coordinators do a great job with selection. They have a wide variety of people on the show from all different walks of life. There have been plenty of contestants on the show that don't fit the "mold" that most of the primetime shows use these days.
There are many qualities that determine whether or not someone would make a good contestant. They could be the smartest person in the world, and have working knowledge of the game left and right, but have no personality and tense up whenever a camera is pointed at them. I fit into this category. You do not want to see me on TV, I will put you to sleep.
/well, not the "smart" part, I'm dumb as shit. Strike three, I'm never getting on.
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Post by ten96lt on Jan 21, 2016 15:31:11 GMT -5
Basically, producers have the final word in deciding on who goes on the show. In my opinion it's absolutely unjust. Some of the most qualified/smartest people never get a chance to shine & take advantage of their knowledge because they either don't look good, don't sound good or don't fit some other frame. All the smart people deserve a chance to be engaged in a real money contest & make the best of their knowledge. Speak out if you share my opinion. What makes someone qualified in your opinion? You'd rather have someone who would get stage fright and freeze up? Standing on that podium is night and day compared to playing at home. If they were going for only the most attractive people in the world, there's no way in he** I would've gotten on.
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Post by levesp08 on Jan 21, 2016 17:01:55 GMT -5
I don't share that opinion at all , konstava . I love the diversity of all the contestants. At final auditions, if you didn't have an above average score on the written, then you damn well better demonstrate some excellent game play throughout the rest of the audition. If what you said were to be true, they would just stop the auditions at contestant videos or Wheelmobile auditions and select those "good looking people." Now with that said, you also can't just be "smart" either. If you have an IQ of 1000 but can't perform under pressure... what good will that do? So, if that's what you mean by "fitting some other frame", then... you're right.
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Post by konstava on Jan 22, 2016 11:20:54 GMT -5
Let me explain myself. I think the format of TV Shows is not 'democratic'. It often descriminates against, let's say, someone who is very phisically unattractive, shy, nervous or has a terrible accent, voice, or other things that producers might not like. I believe that in 2016 the world must have a game where smart people, regardless of their physical or psychological traits, have a chance to make the best of their knowledge. Every day! I stress that. What would you think of a daily online knowledge-based tournament where anyone from anywhere can put a small entry fee and compete for real money (just like on TV Shows) against participants from all over the world. A daily knowledge World Cup! Would't it be the greatest game in the world?
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Post by SmashWhammy on Jan 22, 2016 11:54:55 GMT -5
have you listened to any of the responses?
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Post by konstava on Jan 22, 2016 13:02:12 GMT -5
have you listened to any of the responses? Hi smashwhammy , if you are asking me, then yes, I have listened. Do you think I missed something?
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Post by ten96lt on Jan 22, 2016 13:42:11 GMT -5
Let me explain myself. I think the format of TV Shows is not 'democratic'. It often descriminates against, let's say, someone who is very phisically unattractive, shy, nervous or has a terrible accent, voice, or other things that producers might not like. I believe that in 2016 the world must have a game where smart people, regardless of their physical or psychological traits, have a chance to make the best of their knowledge. Every day! I stress that. What would you think of a daily online knowledge-based tournament where anyone from anywhere can put a small entry fee and compete for real money (just like on TV Shows) against participants from all over the world. A daily knowledge World Cup! Would't it be the greatest game in the world? Why does it need to be democratic when these shows are not run by the government? It's their show and they can do what they want (just like I can exercise my option to not watch). As stated, if they were going for only the most physically attractive I would not have gotten on as a case in point. But why should they put on someone who is nervous (to a point they can't function on camera) or shy? Their number one job is to make a TV show; how are they going to be able to put someone on if they are going to freeze up when the cameras go on? You only have so much time to make a decision during your turn, so if they are going to freeze up, they will do poorly anyway because their nerves will prevent them from getting a response out in time. That would not make for good TV, which is their ultimate goal. This is TV, not a bar exam or ACTs. There are plenty of ways to demonstrate your knowledge: pub trivia, quiz bowl, etc. But if you can't handle the lights and the pressure of the cameras, Jeopardy! wouldn't be an appropriate forum to demonstrate your knowledge. I agree, yes, there are some casting producers out there who do cast for game shows that only seem to base it off of looks/appearance and how loud you can be and less how well you can play the game, but I strongly disagree that WoF or Jeopardy are one of them.
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Post by jmdarrall on Jan 22, 2016 16:56:01 GMT -5
My sentiments exactly, Joe and Leanne. The CCs at "Wheel" (one of whom has been in that job since 1987-88) have been casting thousands of contestants, and it's not an easy process. The odds of even getting an audition are slim. From there, the CCs have to whittle them down further. You have to remember that television is a visual medium, so the players who make it on don't necessarily have to look like supermodels (God knows I don't), but they do need to look confident and act like they know what they are doing. If a player is having fun, being relaxed (even when the experience is scaring the crap out of him or her), and looking confident, the viewer is going to be having fun, too. Some people are just more comfortable speaking in front of others and looking NATURAL while doing so. Further, they have to show the enthusiasm...the desire to be there.
Now, let's say you are one of those people who can be natural in front of the camera and have a good time playing a game. The next step is whether or not you can actually play that game. As a test prep teacher, I know who does his or her homework and who does not. They show it in their execution of test problems and their understanding of test skills. Similarly, a CC knows when a potential player has done his or her homework by watching the show - they're the ones who know to watch the Used Letter Board, the ones who use the lingo of the show, and the ones who remember to enunciate letters, among others. Although some contestants do forget these things on stage, they happen. I don't expect my students to be right all the time, and neither do CCs.
This is where the intelligence argument comes into play. Although "Wheel" does get a reputation for being Merv's ugly stepchild (intellectually speaking), it actually requires a decent working knowledge of well-known people, places, things, sayings, quotes, activities, etc., and language skills. When I say "language skills," I don't mean speaking. I mean understanding words, letters, and letter patterns. Smart contestants utilize those tricks to their advantage.
However, Joe, Leanne, and I all agree that a great contestant, whether it's on "Wheel" or any other game show, is someone who strikes a balance between appearance, "game knowledge," and intelligence. Is that balance perfect? Not always. Is it there? In many contestants, it certainly is. The most intelligent people may actually be very dry and unentertaining on camera, or a happy-go-lucky contestant may call a lot of letters that clearly don't fit, when there are obvious letters available. Either way, that doesn't make for a good show. The selection process is a challenging one, so there's bound to be flaws. However, the selection system for "Wheel" and "Jeopardy," among others, is quite fair. Otherwise, the contestants chosen for those shows would not have been chosen.
As an aside, one little peeve you brought up is that you mentioned that people should be able to get on game shows, "regardless of physical or psychological" qualities. You do realize that disabled contestants have been on game shows regularly since the 1980s, if not longer? "The $100,000 Pyramid" regularly had weeks when blind contestants played. Deaf contestants on game shows have had sign-language interpreters. In 1992, an episode of "Family Double Dare" featured a contestant on each team who was confined to a wheelchair. One of "Jeopardy"'s most memorable contestants was a blind man, Eddie Timanus, who was able to clean house and win 5 games in a row. One of "Wheel"'s more recent memorable contestants was a young man named Trent, who was disabled (I'm not sure, but I think he had Tourette's). There have been countless others who have appeared on game shows whose disabilities weren't as visible, and they made for entertaining TV. How do I know? As someone who lives with ADD, I was one of them.
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Post by WarioSajak on Jan 22, 2016 19:03:23 GMT -5
I have a question about contestants: when's the last time a senior citizen (or, heck, somebody over about 40) was on the show? It feels like it's been ages. As an aside, one little peeve you brought up is that you mentioned that people should be able to get on game shows, "regardless of physical or psychological" qualities. You do realize that disabled contestants have been on game shows regularly since the 1980s, if not longer? I think the issue is that such contestants seem to be few and far between. As far as I know, Wheel has had a grand total of one deaf contestant (on a 1997 Best Friends Week, so his sign-language interpreter was playing the game as well), and I can't really think of any way to accommodate blind contestants.
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Post by WooWho on Jan 22, 2016 19:07:37 GMT -5
For the record, the OP posted the exact same topic over at JBoard. I smell a troll, personally. So I'll be the one to call him out. konstava, how many times have you tried out for Wheel...or any show, for that matter? Do you feel you were wronged during the process, and if so, how? (And don't tell me "I didn't get picked.") Surely you wouldn't be asking these kinds of questions unless you've been through the process yourself.
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Post by jmdarrall on Jan 22, 2016 20:07:20 GMT -5
I have a question about contestants: when's the last time a senior citizen (or, heck, somebody over about 40) was on the show? It feels like it's been ages. As an aside, one little peeve you brought up is that you mentioned that people should be able to get on game shows, "regardless of physical or psychological" qualities. You do realize that disabled contestants have been on game shows regularly since the 1980s, if not longer? I think the issue is that such contestants seem to be few and far between. As far as I know, Wheel has had a grand total of one deaf contestant (on a 1997 Best Friends Week, so his sign-language interpreter was playing the game as well), and I can't really think of any way to accommodate blind contestants. To answer your first question, I know that one of the contestants in my taping group was over 50. She mentioned in her interview that she was a grandmother and a retired owner of a diner. She certainly didn't look that old, though.
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Post by SmashWhammy on Jan 22, 2016 23:14:03 GMT -5
i also had a hunch we were being played or that this guy was just rejected and upset
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Post by levesp08 on Jan 22, 2016 23:20:15 GMT -5
WarioSajak , for the record, my "opponent" is nearly 70 :-)
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Post by ten96lt on Jan 23, 2016 7:01:09 GMT -5
i also had a hunch we were being played or that this guy was just rejected and upset I had a feeling on the latter, but I think it's still good to at least get it out there that a lot of us view the selection process as a fair method at least for Wheel and J!. Granted, I may be a bit biased since I got picked for Wheel, but I have yet to be picked for J! and I still think their process is as fair as you'll get when it comes to T.V. casting. Side note: I think me bombing the J! audition in 2012 though helped me learn how to improve a year later for the Wheel audition (I will say in my defense I was whacked in the head with a sign as this was during the NATO protests, so I did have a headache for half of the audition).
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Post by konstava on Jan 23, 2016 15:20:35 GMT -5
For the record, the OP posted the exact same topic over at JBoard. I smell a troll, personally. So I'll be the one to call him out. konstava, how many times have you tried out for Wheel...or any show, for that matter? Do you feel you were wronged during the process, and if so, how? (And don't tell me "I didn't get picked.") Surely you wouldn't be asking these kinds of questions unless you've been through the process yourself. I did post that topic on J board and it spurred a very insightful interesting discussion. I have no intention of trolling. I don't know why you thought so. Answering your question, in the past I've applied to the Russian version of WWtBaM & US Version of J. Will try for J next week. The main point I have is that smart people have very limited resources to make the best of their knowledge. A 1 in 1000 chance of getting on a show (with not a very straightforward selection procedure, imo) or small cash winnings at a bar trivia night. People who are connoisseurs at something (like me in architecture) have no options of that sort at all. I wanted to see whether others share my opinion. There is another discussion I started on J. All the comments are welcome.
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Post by SmashWhammy on Jan 23, 2016 15:40:12 GMT -5
people don't learn trivia just to make money, so you might be going about the smart thing all wrong
plus we have instances of overdoing your intellegence here in the states (Michael Larson on Press Your Luck, Terry Kneiss on The Price is Right, etc)
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Post by mechamind on Jan 23, 2016 16:01:56 GMT -5
That's closer to precision than intelligence. It's more like aiming the wheel.
Speaking of, what good is the intelligence if you keep hitting Bankrupt over and over again?
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Post by eybyon on Jan 23, 2016 16:42:26 GMT -5
Speaking of, what good is the intelligence if you keep hitting Bankrupt over and over again? Or LOSE A TURN for that matter?
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