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Post by nicky on Sept 3, 2011 2:11:40 GMT -5
1/2 Car wedge rules: The 1/2 car wedges didn't come into play too much during the three shows, but I do think that if a contestant picks one half up, that half is replaced with another one on the wheel. There were no descriptions for the 1/2 car vehicle at all. This I can say for sure: $500 is added to the player's score for every instance of the letter they called when they pick up one of the halves. But what if a contestant lands on the 1/2 car wedge three times (or after having won the car)? Speaking of that, the green $700 space where the Wild Card used to be is now $500. They probably wanted to keep both 1/2 car dollar values uniform, since the other half is on the blue $500 right across. Since that was the only $700 space on the wheel, does this mean there's a jump from $600 to $800? Or did the $700 move somewhere else, and if so where? That's crazy to think of 6 $50 jumps, then a $200 jump, then a $100 jump! I think the $700 should replace one of the $800 wedges instead, since that way, like the glittered and BR amounts, thinking about the amounts chronologically, each jump isn't just as bigger than the one before. New graphics: There were some new graphics. The toss-up coin and category strips remained the same, That's crazy about the category strips, because this will be, since the category strips were the varying color ones that they had up to Season 12, the longest running category strips! (That is, which is definitely most likely, they don't change midseason, specifically no later than March 9, 2012, week 25 of the season, since the current longest since then changed during week 14 of Season 14 (12/16/96) and lasted til the end of Season 17. And this just might be the longest ever category strips that look exactly the same, since I'm sure between Seasons 1 and 12, even though in all or most of that time they were always varying colors, the fonts changed a lot. Logo: As some have been speculating, the Season 29 logo is the same as last season but slightly updated. The intro uses this logo, and it looks really cool. It's sad to see the animations gone and all Culver City shows having the same intro again, but that too was predictable. New wheel dollar values: There were no "new" dollar values on the wheel, just the change of the green $700 to $500 that I mentioned above. So therefore no $700 and the $200 jump before the $100 jump. New categories: Unfortunately, no new categories were used during my shows. I don't think that's unfortunate! There were too many for the past few seasons, and they narrow down some of them too much, for instance, why can't every title be TITLE and not BOOK, MOVIE, SONG TITLE. However, only three episodes is too soon to tell. Wild Card: Although the Wild Card has been moved to the pink $900 space next to the Bankrupt, $900 is not added to the player's score when picked up. Sad but predictable. Cars in Bonus Round: Cars are still in the Bonus Round. Not sad but predictable. But I'm guessing it's the BR car still on the set, and not the 1/2 CAR car. Music changes: I heard no new music in terms of the opening and closing of the show, puzzle-solve cues, etc. I thought I heard a few new commercial break cues, but I'm not entirely sure about that. It's amazing that once again the musics haven't changed, but also predictable. But as for commercial break cues, I don't think those have been fixed since Season 14. Prize Puzzle in Rounds 2 & 3: On my 3 shows, the prize puzzle made no appearance in Round 1, so that's all I can say. Also sad but predictable. But do you specifically remember it in the Mystery Round in at least one of the episode, or could it possibly not be, which would mean, like Seasons 20 - 25, all the first three rounds special and unique, and not ordinary? Also, the prize puzzles didn't seem as generic as people are saying they are. They still gave away hints of a trip, but that could have just been the case during the shows that I saw. So you're saying that on none of your shows, it was just like it was up to Season 28, with the whole puzzle associated with the trip, not just a minimum of one word? However even if the answer is yes, three shows is too little to tell. Before & After, Same Name in every show: Thanks for taking my suggestion of that! I recall 1 Before & After puzzle (although I think there was another one on a different show, I can't really remember) and one Same Name puzzle during the 3 shows. At least you don't remember, so just maybe they are bringing back the rule of Season 27! But if they don't apply this new rule of the Prize Puzzle and it's still not in R1, then I'm sure it isn't, and again 3 shows is too little to tell. Order of Rounds: The Jackpot Round is still Round 1, but now the Mystery Round is in Round 2, and Round 3 is a regular round. That is surprising that they're switching R2 and 3! But it does make sense that the special rounds are back to back (but they should be R2 and 3 like they were up through Season 26. I'm guessing now the mystery round sponsor (or way of presenting it like they used to and did in the latter part of Season 28) will immediately follow the "brought to you by the following" sponsors, and for the first time since before the Mystery Round they'll start a round (and not a Tossup) immediately after a commercial break And therefore I'm wondering if it's remotely possible that there was no R2 Prize Puzzle. Also I realized this means that the both the Jackpot and Mystery Rounds both stayed in a certain round for exactly 9 seasons (the Mystery Round started in Season 20 and has been in R3 ever since, and the Jackpot was R2 from Seasons 18 - 26). Also for glittered amounts, is it still blue $2500 for R1, pink $3500 for R2 and 3, and silver $5000 for R4 and beyond? If any of it is different from that, please tell me. Just to let you know, the shows I attended will be airing November 1-3, during "Fun & Fit" Week. Do you know if, with the cray Halloween/Fun & Fit schedule, if Fun & Fit taped 5 or 6 shows? I'm guessing 6, and like with Get Out of Town last season, the fifth and sixth will be in compilation shows. Also, even with the animations gone, did you notice any theme related special effects with the category reveals? And what about the Pat & Vanna talk backdrop. Could it possibly be theme related, like it is for on the road shows? (and the last two weeks of Season 21 if you recall) |
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Post by tlc38tlc38 on Sept 3, 2011 7:33:53 GMT -5
Wow...this will be the 1st time in YEARS that the green $700 is not on the wheel. Why didn't they just make the blue $500 a $700 instead?
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Post by borusa on Sept 3, 2011 11:04:37 GMT -5
I take it that the set is the same. It sounds like Jim Thornton is a nice man and very friendly. I saw the tapings of the show in New Orleans and all of his stuff was pre-recorded.
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Post by WayoshiM on Sept 3, 2011 13:52:34 GMT -5
Wow...this will be the 1st time in YEARS that the green $700 is not on the wheel. Why didn't they just make the blue $500 a $700 instead? Heaven forbid increasing the money on the Wheel!  Also nicky, all those crazy situations for 1/2 car will have to be learned as they come up in the real game, unless a real contestant (we have two on these boards at the moment) remembers the rules they were given at tape day and is at liberty to discuss them. |
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Post by germanname1990 on Sept 3, 2011 21:52:34 GMT -5
I know on the first WOF app for the iPod, some bug made the $700 space worth $500, but it's now it's a reality on the show? Oh, man! Along with the movement of the Wild Card to the $900 space, we're obviously starting to offer an inch of less and less money every season. I think the last time a $700 space didn't exist on the wheel for at least one episode was back in 1991, when Goen's last daytime show aired, but I think this is the first time in nighttime Wheel history that a spot worth $700 will not be seen at all. Am I correct?  |
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Post by whammy007 on Sept 3, 2011 22:28:19 GMT -5
Germanname, looking over Wheelgenius' layouts, this does indeed appear to be the first time in syndication that $700 will not appear. It's a little sad that such a long-lived value is being removed (and surprising considering it's not one of the oddball wedges ending in -50). RIP $700 wedge, you will be missed.
Can't say I'm a big fan of that move - not only are we removing $400 of ready cash from the wheel ($200 by the WC move and $200 from the wedge downgrade), we're now going to have 4 $500s on the wheel to go with the 5 $300s. Discounting the special wedges, this means that about half of the normal cash values on the wheel now consist of one of those two amounts, which is going to get really bland really quick (if it hasn't already from previous years).
I'm not surprised, however, that the Wild Card is not awarding cash. Technically, the WC is a money-making tool (even though players rarely use it for that purpose), so cash doesn't need to be awarded when it can be earned through use of the token. Conversely, the Free Spin (when it was around) and the car tags have no immediate cash value, it makes sense to include money with them (I say this since you have to pick up both car tags to have any financial gain - one tag by itself has no real value). So a sensible choice here with the WC rules, but not a smart one to cover one of the two $900s.
As for the Mystery Round moving to R2, I think Wayo has nailed the cause - this is going to be the unofficial "Complete the Car" round. One side-effect of this is going to be the move of most of the advertising to the first half of the show (the feature prize, Jackpot round, and Mystery round plugs all in the first two segments).
On the whole, things seem to be changing mostly to make room for the new car gimmick. I hope they actually manage to award the car a decent number of times, unlike Whammy (the All-New Press Your Luck), which had one car win in two seasons - and they had to bend over backwards to get that one! Otherwise, these changes are going to rankle a little bit come next May/June.
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Post by WayoshiM on Sept 3, 2011 23:12:24 GMT -5
Taking the four 500 / five 300 further, including black, white and Free Play, 2/3s of the Wheel gives out $500 or less, or worse.
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Post by nicky on Sept 4, 2011 17:42:06 GMT -5
It's a little sad that such a long-lived value is being removed (and surprising considering it's not one of the oddball wedges ending in -50). RIP $700 wedge, you will be missed. If not a value that appears more than once, $550 would have made a lot more sense. That way, there's no increase of one amount followed by one of a smaller amount. I'm not surprised, however, that the Wild Card is not awarding cash. Technically, the WC is a money-making tool (even though players rarely use it for that purpose), so cash doesn't need to be awarded when it can be earned through use of the token. Conversely, the Free Spin (when it was around) and the car tags have no immediate cash value, it makes sense to include money with them (I say this since you have to pick up both car tags to have any financial gain - one tag by itself has no real value). I think the 1/2 CAR has no smaller cash value than the MDW, which you still don't $800 per consonant by landing on it. As for the Mystery Round moving to R2, I think Wayo has nailed the cause - this is going to be the unofficial "Complete the Car" round. But from what I gather, the car can just as easily be completed in the exact same way in R1 and 2. One side-effect of this is going to be the move of most of the advertising to the first half of the show (the feature prize, Jackpot round, and Mystery round plugs all in the first two segments). And the "brought to you by the following ..." sponsors, which is advertising while the featured prize isn't. What you probably mean is announcements from Jim (or sometimes Vanna in the one I mentioned). It's interesting that R1 and 2 will start with 2 plugs each (Jackpot followed by featured prize, as is now for R1, and "brought to you by the following ..." followed by Mystery for R2.) On the whole, things seem to be changing mostly to make room for the new car gimmick. I don't see though why they can't their cake and eat it too though. What's wrong with both the 1/2 CAR and the Mystery in R3 and the $700 space? I hope they actually manage to award the car a decent number of times, unlike Whammy (the All-New Press Your Luck), which had one car win in two seasons - and they had to bend over backwards to get that one! Otherwise, these changes are going to rankle a little bit come next May/June. I think the 1/2 CAR car will be awarded many times. The great thing is that there are once again two opportunities each for both cars and trips (although of those four, only one, the PP, is a guaranteed win). Incidentally, can anyone answer these question of what happens if a contestant should land on a 1/2 CAR wedge after having won a car in a previous round? And does a contestant pick up a 1/2 CAR wedge in R3, as well as R1 and 2, if another should pick up the other? Are there indeed up to 5 1/2 CAR wedges that could be seen at a time (three in front of contestants waiting for the second halves and two on the wheel at the start of R3 assuming that each of the three contestants picked one up but not the other over the course of those rounds). How different is it from April 11 - 15? |
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Post by joacen on Sept 5, 2011 16:33:59 GMT -5
But what if a contestant lands on the 1/2 car wedge three times (or after having won the car)? The 1/2 car wedges didn't get much gameplay when I was there, so I can't confirm too much about them. Since that was the only $700 space on the wheel, does this mean there's a jump from $600 to $800? Or did the $700 move somewhere else, and if so where? That's crazy to think of 6 $50 jumps, then a $200 jump, then a $100 jump! I think the $700 should replace one of the $800 wedges instead, since that way, like the glittered and BR amounts, thinking about the amounts chronologically, each jump isn't just as bigger than the one before. I didn't see the $700 space moved anywhere else. I think it's been completely removed from the wheel. Well, most if not all game shows have pretty much the same intro every show, plus, the new intro their using looks really cool. Yep. The 1/2 car isn't displayed anywhere on the wheel. I guess it's kind of like when they gave away cars in the Mystery Round....the featured vehicle isn't shown anywhere on stage. If I remember correctly, all three Prize Puzzles were in Round 3, but I think one of them was in Round 2. It seemed that way during my shows, but as you said, it's too soon to tell. The top dollar amounts for each round remain the same. I'm not too sure about that. I don't believe there were any themes to the Pat and Vanna talk backdrop. I wasn't looking at the monitors during their chats anyway. (Sorry about the quote not coming out right. My answers to the questions are in bold italics, just to let you know) Fixed maligned quote tags. To avoid this happening, avoid using embedded quotes unless absolutely necessary...which is wasn't in this case. |
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Post by tenpoundhammer on Sept 5, 2011 18:56:59 GMT -5
And this just might be the longest ever category strips that look exactly the same, since I'm sure between Seasons 1 and 12, even though in all or most of that time they were always varying colors, the fonts changed a lot. Nighttime was still using the thin, monospaced "typewriter" font until around December 1984. From then to around the start of Season 3, they used a slightly thinner form of Helvetica which had a shadow effect instead of the white outlines. (You can see this version on the "Love Boat" clip on their website.) |
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Post by pricemodel1997 on Sept 5, 2011 19:43:22 GMT -5
exactly there is so much cardboard on that wheel that they need to get rid of something on that wheel not sure what, maybe 1/2 car tag so that if you get it in 1 round you have to get the other half in a later round and please put that $700 back on the wheel
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Post by dad90 on Sept 5, 2011 19:51:07 GMT -5
I know on the first WOF app for the iPod, some bug made the $700 space worth $500, but it's now it's a reality on the show? Oh, man! Along with the movement of the Wild Card to the $900 space, we're obviously starting to offer an inch of less and less money every season. I think the last time a $700 space didn't exist on the wheel for at least one episode was back in 1991, when Goen's last daytime show aired, but I think this is the first time in nighttime Wheel history that a spot worth $700 will not be seen at all. Am I correct? RIP $700, we will miss you. |
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Post by jjc927 on Sept 5, 2011 21:08:28 GMT -5
That's really strange that they'd remove $700 from the wheel. It's going to make too little variety in the spaces.
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Post by nicky on Sept 6, 2011 0:27:06 GMT -5
Yep. The 1/2 car isn't displayed anywhere on the wheel. I guess it's kind of like when they gave away cars in the Mystery Round....the featured vehicle isn't shown anywhere on stage. You mean the set, not the wheel, right? Set; stage-- it means the same thing....That's just splitting hairs right there Watch those quote tags... |
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Post by jonsea31 on Sept 6, 2011 11:19:54 GMT -5
The $700 may still exist, even if it's just for Round 4 onward.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2011 11:21:55 GMT -5
Umm... no. Unless you have proof, $700 is gone.
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Post by Bryan on Sept 6, 2011 16:09:06 GMT -5
Very interesting changes... poor $700. Waayyy too much crap on the wheel. |
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Post by djcchs2004 on Sept 7, 2011 6:25:25 GMT -5
I won 3 prizes by answering some trivia that Jim Thornton asked to the crowd. They have trivia for audience? No way. I remember back in 2008 when I was in the audience in Chicago & late Charlie tell the crowd to be ready for the show, but there was never the quiz he ask to them. I guess this is new for this season. |
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Post by ryanquek95 on Sept 7, 2011 8:44:38 GMT -5
Sorry if I may sound stupid, but what wedge replaces $700? There's gotta be something behind the 1/2 car plate.
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Post by woffan4ever on Sept 7, 2011 9:15:20 GMT -5
It's another blue $500. Which makes me VERY sad; I liked the $700 wedge alot!
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